City of Columbia, Missouri  
Meeting Minutes  
Planning and Zoning Commission  
Columbia City Hall  
Council Chambers  
701 E Broadway  
Thursday, November 20, 2025  
Regular Meeting  
7:00 PM  
I. CALL TO ORDER  
MS. GEUEA JONES: I will now call the Thursday, November 20th, 2025 meeting of  
the Planning and Zoning Commissioner to order.  
II. INTRODUCTIONS  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Brodsky, may we please have a roll call? Just  
go back to her last.  
MR. BRODSKY: Okay. And I apologize. I forgot to see -- look back to see who  
voted first. Give me two seconds.  
MS. ORTIZ: I did last time.  
MR. BRODSKY: You did? Thank you. Okay.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Perfect.  
MR. BRODSKY: Mr. Stanton, you are first this round. So, Commissioner  
Stanton, are you here?  
MR. STANTON: Here. Oh, you're doing roll call. Okay.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Stockton?  
MS. STOCKTON: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Walters?  
MR. WALTERS: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Wilson is absent. I am here. Commissioner Darr?  
MR. DARR: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Geuea Jones?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Gray?  
DR. GRAY: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: Here.  
MR. BRODSKY: We have a quorum of eight.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you very much.  
8 -  
Present:  
Anthony Stanton, Sharon Geuea Jones, Robert Walters, McKenzie Ortiz, David  
Brodsky, Les Gray, Kate Stockton and Cody Darr  
1 - Shannon Wilson  
Excused:  
III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Are there any changes to our agenda this evening, Mr.  
Zenner?  
MR. ZENNER: No, there are not.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Is there a motion to approve the agenda?  
MR. STANTON: I move to approve the agenda.  
MS. ORTIZ: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Stanton, seconded by  
Commissioner Ortiz. Is there a thumbs-up approval on the agenda?  
(Unanimous vote for approval.)  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Unanimous.  
Move to approve agenda  
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES  
November 6, 2025 Regular Meeting  
MS. GEUEA JONES: We all received and there was publicly distributed the  
November 6 minutes of our regular meeting. Are there any changes or adjustments to  
the minutes? Seeing none. Is there a motion to approve?  
MR. STANTON: I move to approve the minutes from November 6, 2025.  
MS. ORTIZ: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Stanton, seconded by  
Commissioner Ortiz. Is there a thumbs-up approval of the minutes?  
(Six votes for approval; two abstentions.)  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Unanimous, with Commissioners Stockton and Gray  
abstaining. Thank you. Moving to our first case for the evening.  
Approve the minutes from November 6, 2025  
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SUBDIVISION ITEMS  
Case # 284-2025  
A request by Crockett Engineering (agent), on behalf of Consolidated  
Public Water Supply District No. 1 (owner), for approval of a 1-lot Final  
Major Plat of IG (Industrial - General) zoned property, to be known as  
Consolidated Water, Plat No. 1, and a design adjustment from Sec.  
29-5.1(d) regarding construction of sidewalks. The approximately  
3.56-acre subject site is located northeast of intersection of Nebraska  
Avenue and Seventh Street and includes the address 1500 North Seventh  
Street. (This item was previously tabled at the October 23, 2025  
Planning Commission meeting).  
MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?  
MR. ORENDORFF: Staff report was given by Mr. Kirtis Orendorff of the Planning and  
Development Department. Staff recommends the following actions with respect to this  
request:  
1. Approve the requested design adjustment to partially waive the requirement  
that sidewalks be constructed along the site's North Seventh Street frontage  
subject to payment of a "fee-in-lieu" in the amount of $23,653.17 prior to  
recording the final plat with the Recorder of Deeds; and  
2. Approve the requested one-lot final plat to be known as "Consolidated Water,  
Plat No. 1," subject to technical corrections.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Before we go to questions for staff, if any of my  
fellow Commissioners have had contact with parties to this case outside of a public  
hearing, please disclose so now. Seeing none. Question for staff? See -- oh. Go  
ahead, Commissioner Ortiz.  
MS. ORTIZ: I'm confused on what the recommendation is, because on the screen it  
doesn't say anything about the "pay in lieu".  
MR. ORENDORFF: I apologize for that. So if you would like, I can go ahead and  
read it directly from the staff report which would be --  
MS. ORTIZ: I have it pulled up --  
MR. ORENDORFF: Okay.  
MS. ORTIZ: -- but maybe it might be helpful for others.  
MR. ORENDORFF: Yeah. If you would like me just for the record to read exactly  
from the staff report, I can go ahead and do that, just that way.  
MS. ORTIZ: Thank you.  
MR. ORENDORFF: Yeah. So design adjustment portion is to approve the requested  
design adjustment to partially waive the requirement that sidewalks be constructed along  
the site's North Seventh Street frontage subject to a payment in lieu in the amount of  
$23,653.17 prior to recording of the final plat with the Recorder of Deeds. So, if you've got  
that pulled up, I can also pass along my copy, as well, if that helps. I apologize for that.  
MS. ORTIZ: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Seeing none. We  
will close public comment -- or close public comment -- we will close staff report, and go  
to public comment.  
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Please come forward, state your name and address for the  
record. We do six minutes for the applicant and groups, three minutes for individuals.  
MR. CROCKETT: Madam Chair, members of the Commission, Tim Crockett,  
Crockett Engineering, 1000 West Nifong. I believe Mr. Orendorff did a good job  
summarizing this plat that's before you tonight. It's a straightforward final plat with, of  
course, the sidewalk variance that goes along with it. The sidewalk -- and this is a little  
bit different from what you've seen before. My client is proposing to build a sidewalk  
adjacent to the existing Seventh Street, so the portion that is there, the street that is  
there, we'll put sidewalk in in that portion, but the portion we're asking for the design  
adjustment for is for the section that doesn't have street on Seventh Street. So it doesn't  
make a lot of sense, we believe, to install a sidewalk adjacent to no street. And so,  
consequently, we are -- we are agreeing to the payment in lieu of $23,653, and makes --  
you know, we believe that makes sense for this area. So with that, I'm happy to answer  
any questions that the Commission may have.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Are there any questions for this speaker?  
MR. WALTERS: Well --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Go ahead, Commissioner Walters?  
MR. WALTERS: -- I guess I should asked -- I guess I should have asked staff  
because on the written report, it says requested one-lot final plat, and on this screen it  
says request a two-lot final plat.  
MR. ORENDORFF: I apologize. It is a one-lot plat. That's my fault.  
MR. WALTERS: One lot. Okay. That's it. Thanks.  
MR. CROCKETT: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah. I don't know if there's a way to adjust the slides  
midstream, otherwise, I would suggest it, but it's okay. You don't have to. Just since,  
you know, I know we've got fans out there who are watching it. Okay. Any other  
members of the public to speak on this case? Seeing none. We will now close public  
comment.  
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner comment. Any Commissioner comments?  
Seeing none. Would someone like to make a motion? I suggest reading it off the staff  
report.  
MS. ORTIZ: Is it one at a time, or is it -- we can do both?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Jesse, do you want two votes or one?  
MR. CRAIG: Let's do --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Design adjustment and then --  
MR. CRAIG: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: -- plat? Yeah. Just for this -- yes, please. Yeah. Let's  
do that.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Design adjustment and then plat. Two votes. Commissioner  
Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: As it relates to Case 284-2025, oh, 1500 --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Sorry, Kirtis. I shouldn’t have messed with it.  
MR. ORENDORFF: Of course, one card falls and then the entire house falls.  
MS. ORTIZ: No. It's okay. 1500 North Seventh Street, I move to approve the  
requested design adjustment to partially waive the requirement that sidewalk be  
constructed along the site’s North Seventh Street frontage subject to the payment of a  
fee in lieu in the amount of $23,653.17 prior to recording of the final plat with the Recorder  
of Deeds.  
DR. GRAY: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Ortiz, seconded by Commissioner  
Gray. Is there any discussion on the motion? I will just say that in a rare move, I will  
actually be voting in favor of this sidewalk waiver for the sole reason that there is not a  
street there yet. I know I'm usually a pretty reliable no vote on sidewalk waivers, but  
thought I would make that comment for the record. Commissioner Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: As a -- just piggy-backing off of what you're saying, I plan to support  
this, as well. I think there are many places in that area that could be well served by a  
sidewalk, but this is not one.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other discussion on the motion? Seeing none.  
Commissioner Brodsky, when you're ready, may we have a roll call on the design  
adjustment?  
Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.  
Stanton,  
Ms. Stockton, Mr. Walters, Mr. Brodsky, Mr. Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Ms.  
Ortiz. Motion carries 8-0.  
MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Would someone like to make a motion on the platting action?  
You did so well the first time, Commissioner Ortiz, would you like to do so?  
MR. STANTON: Come on Ms. Ortiz, you started it.  
MS. ORTIZ: Okay. I -- what do we say?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: You moved to approve the requested --  
MS. ORTIZ: Oh. I move to approve the -- I can't do it. I'm sorry.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: It's okay.  
MR. WALTERS: I can do it.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Go ahead, Mr. Walters.  
MR. WALTERS: Oh, the screen just disappeared.  
MR. ZENNER: Will get right back to it. One moment. Sorry.  
MR. WALTERS: Okay. I'll just read it right here. I just don't know the case number  
or -- regarding Case Number 284-2025, I move to approve the recommended one-lot final  
plat to be known as Consolidated Water, Plat Number 1, subject to technical corrections.  
DR. GRAY: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Walters, seconded by  
Commissioner Gray. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none,  
Commissioner Brodsky, when you're ready, may we have a roll call?  
Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.  
Stanton,  
Ms. Stockton, Mr. Walters, Mr. Brodsky, Mr. Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Ms.  
Ortiz. Motion carries 8-0.  
MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. That recommendation will be forwarded to City  
Council, and my apologies to Kirtis for throwing everything up in the air. I did not mean to  
do that to you.  
MR. ORENDORFF: Should have got it right the first time. You're good.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: All right. Moving on to our next case for the evening.  
Motion 1: Mover: Ortiz: Move to approve the requested design adjustment to  
partially waive the requirement that sidewalk be constructed along the site’s  
North Seventh Street frontage subject to the payment of a fee in lieu in the  
amount of $23,653.17 prior to recording of the final plat with the Recorder of  
Deeds.  
Seconder: Gray  
Motion 2: Mover: Walters: Move to approve the recommended one-lot final plat to  
be known as Consolidated Water, Plat Number 1, subject to technical corrections.  
Seconder: Gray  
Motion 1 and 2 approved unanimously by the commission  
8 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Walters, Ortiz, Brodsky, Gray, Stockton and Darr  
Yes:  
1 - Wilson  
Excused:  
VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS  
Case # 06-2026  
A request by Dominick & Stephanie Lee (owners) for approval to rezone  
0.43 acres of property from PD (Planned Development) to M-OF  
(Mixed-use Office) to allow the existing home on the subject property to be  
used for future business endeavors. The subject site is located at the  
northeast corner of N. Old Hwy 63 and E Walnut, and includes the address  
202 N. Old Hwy 63.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?  
Staff report was given by Mr. Kirtis Orendorff of the Planning and Development  
Department. Staff recommends approval of the request to rezone the 0.43 acres from PD  
(Planned Development) to M-Of (Mixed Use Office).  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Before we go to questions for staff, if any of my  
fellow Commissioners have had contact with parties to this case outside of a public  
hearing, please disclose so now. Seeing none. Questions for staff? Commissioner  
Gray?  
DR. GRAY: Thank you. Could you say a little bit more about the MC, and then uses  
being too intense. Is that in terms of, like, by-right permitted use or --  
MR. ORENDORFF: Yes. That's correct. So with M-C, they could build a  
drive-through restaurant, they could build, you know, up to 45 feet in height for the  
building, which is deemed that --given that it's surrounded by mostly residential and office  
space, given the current access that they would be permitted to keep. We don't really  
want people taking a left-hand corner commonly at that site off of Old 63 onto that, so  
given the considerations of what would be permitted by right, we decided that M-OF  
would be most appropriate here.  
DR. GRAY: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any further questions for staff? Seeing none. We will go to  
public comment.  
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any members of the public who wish to speak on this case,  
please come forward.  
MR. LEE: Hello, everyone. My name is Dominick Lee; I live at 202 Old 63 North,  
and I'm here to answer any questions that you might have at this time. I thank you for  
the recommendation.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Sure. Are there any questions for the speaker?  
MR. LEE: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Seeing none. Thank you. Anyone else who wishes to speak  
on this case, please come forward.  
MS. DOKKEN: Dee Dokken, 804 Again, and I'm not opposed to this at all. But I am  
wondering, did I hear right that Stephens Park is R-1? I think this is an issue that needs  
to be dealt with, changing these to open space zoning. Gans Creek Recreation Area  
also is still R-1. And it's -- it's confusing to say, oh, there's R-1 to the south, and I didn't  
know what they were talking about, and it's actually open space, a park, and should be  
zoned that way. So I don't know. Is that something that Parks has to initiate or --  
anyway, it's a question I have. Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: I'm making a note. Thank you, Ms. Dokken. Any other  
member of the public to speak on this case? Seeing none. We will close public.  
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner comment. Any Commissioner comments?  
Seeing none. Would anyone like to make a motion? Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: Madam Chair, I'd like to entertain a motion, if you would like?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Please.  
MR. STANTON: As it relates to Case 06-2026, for 202 North Old 63 rezoning, I move  
to approve the request to rezone .43 acres from PD, Planned Development, to M-OF,  
Mixed Use Office.  
DR. GRAY: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Stanton, seconded by  
Commissioner Gray. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none.  
Commissioner Brodsky, may we have a roll call?  
Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.  
Stanton,  
Ms. Stockton, Mr. Walters, Mr. Brodsky, Mr. Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Ms.  
Ortiz. Motion carries 8-0.  
MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. That recommendation will be forwarded to City  
Council. For our final case of the evening.  
Move to approve the request to rezone .43 acres from PD, Planned Development,  
to M-OF, Mixed Use Office.  
8 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Walters, Ortiz, Brodsky, Gray, Stockton and Darr  
1 - Wilson  
Yes:  
Excused:  
Case # 11-2026  
A request by Paula Clayton (agent), on behalf of Jennifer Hempel and  
Paula Clayton (owners), to allow 411 McBaine Avenue to be used as a  
210-night, maximum of 6 guests short-term rental (STR) pursuant to Sec.  
29-3.3(vv) and Sec. 29-6.4(m)(2) of the Unified Development Code. The  
3-bedroom, 2-bathroom home has an attached 1-car garage and driveway  
capacity to support 1 UDC-compliant on-site parking space. If the  
application is approved, the applicant will need to install 1 additional  
UDC-compliant parking space in order to accommodate the requested 6  
guests. Until the parking space is installed, the maximum number of guests  
the property can support is 4. The 0.20-acre subject site is located on the  
west side of McBaine Avenue, approximately 35 feet south of its  
intersection with Lincoln Drive.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?  
Staff report was given by Mr. Ross Halligan of the Planning and Development  
Department. Staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit to allow 411  
McBaine Avenue to be operated as a STR subject to:  
1. The maximum occupancy shall not exceed four transient guests regardless  
of occupancy allowed by the most recently adopted edition of the  
International Property Maintenance Code (IPMC) until one additional  
UDC-compliant parking space has been added to the site allowing the  
dwelling to be then used for a maximum of six guests;  
2. A maximum of 210 nights of annual usage;  
3. The attached one-car garage shall be made available while the dwelling is in  
STR use.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Before we go to questions for staff, if any of my  
fellow Commissioners have had any contact with parties to this case outside of a public  
hearing, please disclose so now. Seeing none. Questions for staff? I had one question.  
This is not the applicant's primary residence?  
MR. HALLIGAN: No, it is not.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Do we know if it's -- and it doesn't have a rental certificate; is  
that right?  
MR. HALLIGAN: That is correct.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. Thank you. I think that's all -- Commissioner Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: Can you speak to whether this was built as part of an affordable housing  
initiative? Do you know anything about that?  
MR. HALLIGAN: I'm not aware of that, but that is -- was noted in that one letter of  
opposition, if you -- that you have access to, but I do not know the background on this  
history of this area.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Mr. Zenner, do you recall?  
MR. ZENNER: I do not. I know who the former property owner was, and I don't  
believe it was built using an affordable housing initiative process, but I don't have direct -- I  
don't have direct information to support that it was offered a fee reduction or something of  
that nature.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Seeing --  
oh, I'm so sorry. Commissioner Stanton, please?  
MR. STANTON: If an additional parking space were to be provided, how and where?  
MR. HALLIGAN: I believe the standard is they cannot take up 30 percent of the front  
yard or 500 feet, the greater of the two, so it couldn't be greater than 500 square feet, the  
combined driveway or 30 percent of the front yard.  
MR. ZENNER: Basically, based on the photography that was provided, it would be to  
the south of the existing driveway.  
MR. STANTON: Between the two houses, cut off to the side?  
MR. ZENNER: So it would be to the -- to the left side of the existing drive that is  
here today. And it would also be a required driveway approach expansion which would  
require proper City permitting to do so.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions? I have a question for legal. With these  
CUP requests, we can -- we can make modifications. Correct? Or do we have to take  
them or leave them as presented by staff?  
MR. CRAIG: You're not referring to criteria, you're just talking about to any sort of --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: The conditions.  
MR. CRAIG: Oh, yes. There is -- yeah, this Commission does have a right to do  
that.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah. So we -- we could say for a period and that's it?  
MR. CRAIG: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify that we weren't  
limited. I know on some cases we are.  
MR. CRAIG: As long as it doesn't run afoul of the ordinance as written. I mean, we  
can't --(inaudible).  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Certainly. Certainly, yeah. Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: And to piggy back on that, so that would be a conversation between  
the owner up here to say they want us to vote it as it is, or vote our potential  
recommendation. How will we do that?  
MR. CRAIG: I mean, that conversation could be had with the applicant, see if there  
could be -- yeah.  
MR. STANTON: All right. Okay. That's what I wanted to know. Okay.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other -- Commissioner Walters?  
MR. WALTERS: Also I have a question for you for legal. Could -- would it be -- is  
there any history of a -- projects like suggested in the opposition letter of restricting the  
use here. Could there be any deed restrictions or covenants that could preclude or  
disallow this to be used as -- as being requested tonight? Is it possible? I'm not asking  
do you know if it's relevant, but is it possible?  
MR. CRAIG: I don't believe so. I've never heard of such a thing. If there are, I mean,  
that's -- if -- if that wasn't in, I believe, the -- the deed would have been submitted with  
the application. Correct?  
MR. ZENNER: Yes, it would have been. I mean, but a deed restriction is not  
something that the City would generally be enforcing.  
MR. CRAIG: And, yeah. That's also --  
MR. WALTERS: Okay.  
MR. CRAIG: Mr. Zenner is correct on that.  
MR. WALTERS: All right. Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Mr. Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: My experience is this. I'm not 200 percent sure about this house.  
If Job Point didn't build it, I think someone else did. And so if the original owner, there  
would be a time frame in which that person has to live in the home, blah, blah, blah. If it  
changes hands and ownership, you know, as long as they stay with it, I think it may be  
five, ten years, whatever. I'm -- I'm almost willing to bet this is like a Job Point or a  
school home, or something like that at one time. Now for them to come about now, I  
think that time may have expired.  
MR. CRAIG: Okay.  
MR. STANTON: So that's that. I couldn't get an exact answer. I was trying to  
get an answer if that was a --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: I believe it -- I believe it was, Commissioner Stanton, a Job  
Point home at one point, based on deed records. Okay. Any other questions for staff or  
seeking clarification from legal? Seeing none. We will go to public comment. Any  
members of the public who wish to come forward, please come forward. You guys have  
got to fight it out. Let's go. Come on. Somebody, anybody. Name and address for the  
record, and get as close to that microphone as you feel comfortable.  
MS. CLAYTON: Especially with a mask on, aye?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Yes.  
MS. CLAYTON: My name is Paula Clayton, so I am representing Jenny, my wife,  
and I are the applicants for this, and, yes, it was a Job Point. And then the previous  
owner has lived there since 2011, and I don't know that he was there much because he  
had absolutely not much in the way of gas or electric bills. We would like to do the four  
applicants. We were doing the driveway thing. I think, Mr. Zenner, you had -- had  
suggested that as a just in case, even if we don't go ahead and do it, but get the -- so it  
would save doing another meeting and another application process later on if we did  
decide to --(inaudible). Yeah. We'd like to be here as soon as possible.  
MR. CRAIG: Ms. Clayton, two things. Could you state your address for the record  
for --  
MS. CLAYTON: Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Address is 411 McBaine Avenue. I've been  
coming back and forth doing stuff on the house.  
MR. CRAIG: And, secondly, could you get a little bit closer to the mic so we can  
make an accurate record here?  
MS. CLAYTON: Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.  
MR. CRAIG: Thank you.  
MS. CLAYTON: And home address is 3653 North Laramie Avenue, Chicago,  
Illinois, 60641.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Commissioner Stanton, go ahead.  
MR. STANTON: Yeah. But you -- you don't live at 411 McBaine?  
MR. CLAYTON: I live at 411? No. I live in Chicago.  
MR. STANTON: Okay. Okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. Want to keep coming back here because we want to retire  
here. Five to ten years, hopefully two years, I think, but if we keep coming back, we get  
used -- we get used to community. We've got family here. We spend more time here,  
you know. We see how the house is -- we did the Airbnb because we didn't want it to be  
empty, and -- but we don't want it to be -- we can't come back and live there and adjust,  
you know, to the idea.  
MR. ZENNER: Yeah.  
MS. CLAYTON: Jenny, my wife, she's a teacher. Oh, the other thing was with the  
fence thing, I did call Rebecca today and -- sorry. Nervous in front of people.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: You’re okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: She -- the Beck neighbor and we -- she has a neighbor who  
does fencing, and she's going to get a quote from him, so we'll split costs with that. So,  
yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Other questions for this speaker? I have a question. Have  
you ever done any of this Airbnb kind of business before?  
MS. CLAYTON: No. No. It's a complete new thing, but our co-host Jessica, she  
has, so will do what she says with, you know, we need to do this, you don't need to do  
that, you know.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: I understand, yeah.  
MS. CLAYTON: Oh. I have also talked to the neighbors either side who are both  
renting, Kristen on the south, and I think his name is Conner and Emily on the north.  
They're both okay, but I didn't get them to call. And they've got my phone number so that  
if there's anybody who is a twit who is there, and they're in the -- (inaudible) -- so they  
can contact us, as well, and we can get ahold of -- (inaudible) -- just so we -- yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: My other question -- oh. If -- sorry. It's been a long, long day.  
MS. CLAYTON: Uh-huh.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: But the front yard is quite small. If we said you could only  
have four guests at a time, would that be okay with you?  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. Yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Just so your whole front yard is not --  
MS. CLAYTON: Oh, no. Yeah. It doesn't appeal to me, either. I like gardening and  
I like growing things, so yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. Any other questions? Commissioner Walters?  
MR. WALTERS: I think I missed this, but where -- where is a person who gets a  
phone call in case there's an issue here?  
MS. CLAYTON: Jessica.  
MR. WALTERS: And how close do you live -- I may have missed this.  
MS. CLAYTON: Oh, I'm sorry.  
MR. WALTERS: Where does the agent, the person responsible for it, where does  
she live?  
MS. SIMPSON: I live by Macadoodles, so -- (inaudible).  
MS. GEUEA JONES: We can’t -- could you -- could you state where she lives for  
us?  
MS. CLAYTON: She lives by Macadoodles, about three and a half miles away, I  
think.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Appreciate that.  
MR. WALTERS: Okay. All right. Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions for this speaker? Commissioner  
Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: Are you German, by chance?  
MS. CLAYTON: New Zealand, no.  
MR. STANTON: New Zealand. Okay. Okay. I got the accent wrong.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: I was going to spit some German to you, but okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: I can do an imitation --  
MR. STANTON: This is the -- this is my biggest issue.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: Biggest.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: Number one, this is in my neighborhood.  
MS. CLAYTON: Okay.  
MR. STANTON: Number two, I think I have built this house. Really. Really.  
MS. CLAYTON: Listen. Listen. Can I grill you later --  
MR. STANTON: And the neighborhood is historic.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. As this one.  
MR. STANTON: And I'm not opposed to it being used as a short-term rental. But  
my fear is you're a rookie at it.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: Which is a beginner, a novice, and you -- and you're endeavor  
for me to get a vote, a yes vote, have to convince me that you have all your bases  
covered if we were to allow it to be a short-term rental, you know. So --  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. Fair.  
MR. STANTON: So I need to know, like my colleague asked, stuff -- she stole my  
question, so I'm going to say it again.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: If the stuff hits the fan and I need to call somebody, who do I call  
and how fast are they going to get there?  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: That's --  
MS. CLAYTON: Can I get Jessica up here? She really wants to come up --  
MR. STANTON: Yeah. After we -- after we talk to you.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: So I need to be convinced of those things. I need to be convinced  
of I am only going to support this if it's only four because I do not want the additional  
concrete. That's my point of view.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: My opinion. My vote is if I've come to a four transient guests, and  
it's going to be maintained.  
MS. CLAYTON: Uh-huh.  
MR. STANTON: You're going to have a strong rental policy. I mean, I need to  
be convinced you have all these ducks in a row. That's what I need.  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. Yeah. I like the Eco thing, too, so I really want to do the --  
yeah. Doing things around there, like it's a -- you know how you have Airbnb things and  
there like a theme, so I think, oh, eco, gardening, all that, which the whole thing of having  
another driveway doesn't really appeal except for the, hey, make the ends meet with the  
bills. But that -- you know, as far as bills go, that -- that appeals. But, yeah. Jessica for  
the -- the thing onto it. Is that -- so it would be the -- no concrete and better be on top of  
stuff when it happens.  
MR. STANTON: I’m still open to hear more stuff.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any -- oh, I'm sorry.  
MR. STANTON: No, I'm done.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions? That's one -- I'm sorry. We're not trying  
to beat you up. How -- how often are you down here?  
MS. CLAYTON: I don't know. We've got family in -- in town, so this means we -- we  
now want to come here and do more vacations with them and be here. I want to be here  
as much as I can. I'm more ready to retire than Jenny does. She's got a job that she  
loves. She's a teacher, and, yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. Thank you.  
MS. CLAYTON: I don't know.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Just curious. Any other questions? Commissioner Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: Do you think that any of your family here in Columbia would be willing to  
be your designated agent in the future?  
MS. CLAYTON: Yeah. But I think Jessica is probably a better one to be, because  
she's got the experience and she's more like --  
MS. ORTIZ: Oh, okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: She's got the experience and connections. She knows what she's  
doing. She's all good with the, oh yeah, we'll get right on to it, yeah.  
MS. ORTIZ: Okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: Whereas family is -- they're doing their own jobs. It would be. uh,  
you know, it's something else they have to deal with.  
MS. ORTIZ: Okay.  
MS. CLAYTON: So I'd rather have the one who does it is her scene, than somebody  
who, oh, yeah, I'm really connected to you, and now you're going to resent me for it.  
Thank you.  
MS. ORTIZ: Fair enough. Yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Anyone else? Seeing none. Thank you so much.  
MS. CLAYTON: Okay. Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Next speaker on this case, please come forward.  
MR. FALBY: Hello. I'm Dan.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: We need -- start with your name and address for the record  
into the microphone, please?  
MR. FALBY: I'm Ben Falby; and I live at 407 McBaine, which is, like, two houses  
down from that one. I did -- I did e-mail you, and it was a -- it was a pleasant exchange.  
I -- you know, you all bought the house. Paula, you bought the house. I'm expecting  
Paula to be my neighbor at some point, so this needs to go well for me. If there weren't a  
sign in front of the house right now, I don't think I would have come, to be honest with  
you. But I thought about it more and it was built by Job Point. You did help build it. I've  
lived in Columbia and in that neighborhood for about 20 years now. I don't have rights to it  
like you do probably -- actually, definitely. But, you know, I'm rather partial to the  
neighborhood at this point. Because there's a sign up front, you are telling us that  
apparently we have a community level stake in how this space is used. And because of  
that, we have to make a decision about whether we want this to be used in this way.  
Right? So three houses south of me, Carmelita, Ray, and Summer are moving away  
because they can't rent out on my block anymore. All right? And they can't rent on the  
block anymore because the houses are going away. Now, Carmelita's mother-in-law lives  
two more blocks west of that, and now Summer can't see her grandma as frequently.  
That has nothing to do with this. Right? But it does get at a bigger problem, which is  
when we turn our affordable housing, which we built that -- we built that. When we turn  
this into a space like that, we're putting downward pressure on this community to try to  
find a place to live, and we are struggling. We all know we're struggling here related to  
homelessness, and it just pushing it down. And I would love to have somebody living  
there, hey, maybe Carmelita, Ray and Summer, I don't know. But if it's going to five, ten  
years before my new good neighbor moves in, let's just keep it there so that some other  
family can live there in the meantime. I mean, like, it's strange to me that we decided as  
a community we wanted to build something so that these people could live in the central  
city, and then we go around and turn into we're, like, getting rid of that. It's ironic, like, I  
don't know. Yeah. I have missed my job twice in the evenings teaching GED classes in  
the last seven years. I got a sub tonight, so I don't know. You guys got any questions  
for me?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any questions for this speaker? Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: Ben, how are you doing, sir?  
MR. FALBY: What's up?  
MR. STANTON: I completely agree with everything you said. I also agree that the  
owner has a right to use their property. Now if they have reached the statute of  
limitations of our build, our Job Point build, and they're supposed to stay there for five or  
ten years and they can sell it. This is kind of the nightmare that we all looked for.  
MR. FALBY: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: You know, like, dang, we build affordable housing and in five  
years it could be back in the situation that we're trying to prevent, you know. That's  
happening.  
MR. FALBY: I mean, I can say five or ten years ago when it was built, we didn't  
anticipate this situation.  
MR. STANTON: Yes, You're correct.  
MR. FALBY: Because this happened after the advent of internet services that allow  
you to do such a thing. So I -- I don't think we thought this could happen at all when this  
built.  
MR. STANTON: Right.  
MR. FALBY: In fact, the way affordable housing has been approached in town, it's  
changed dramatically; you know, land trust and what not. I don't know if the City would  
support the model that created that house in the first place. It is painful, though, to know  
the intent, to know the community this well, to know that money can be made off of this  
property. I'm certainly not against investment. I'm not. And I'm not against the right --  
you know, like, this sounds like a way that you're going to plan for your future, and that  
makes sense to me. Right? But it doesn't have to be like this. You guys get to choose  
that. You've got to -- you've got to be the ones responsible for that.  
MR. STANTON: Oh. So are you opposed to short-term rentals, period, or just here?  
MR. FALBY: Oof. No. No. Because it's just too much of a -- too big of a blanket. I  
can't do that. I'm here about 411 McBaine. You know, I'm here about Debbie, my  
neighbor to the south, Carmelita, my former neighbor, four doors to the south. Tim lives  
in there, you know, a door, you know, north of that. No, I can't go there. I'm just talking  
about here. I'm talking about the history of that property. I'm talking about this story.  
The story I just happen to know really well.  
MR. STANTON: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Ortiz, and then Commissioner Darr?  
MS. ORTIZ: Would you tell me about 411 McBaine from, like, an infrastructure point  
of view, not, like, not from the housing, but, like, tell me about the property and, like, what  
makes that spot not a good space for a short-term rental, in your opinion.  
MR. FALBY: My students have to move north of town now because there isn't a  
place to live in the central city. And this place is in the middle of town. Right? You don't  
need the resources you need in the middle of town. You don't need those same  
resources. You don't have to find those resources when you live in the middle of town.  
I'm talking -- thinking, like, how the bus line works. I'm thinking about the proximity to  
Aldi's, Gerbes, the Business Loop, just everything. It's -- it's still relatively walkable. And  
so it's bizarre that -- again, we will be effectively pushing some family out of that  
opportunity. Right? And let's say it's not the family I have in mind. The movement of any  
family then pushes another family just further north or further east; right -- which is what's  
happened. That's what's happened in this town. And this is -- this is how it happens, so  
I don't know. Does that answer your question?  
MS. ORTIZ: Not really.  
MR. FALBY: Oh, okay.  
MS. ORTIZ: So there's only certain criteria that we really can look at when we're  
looking at a short-term rental conditional use permit.  
MR. FALBY: Sure.  
MS. ORTIZ: And what you're griping about --  
MR. FALBY: I mean, if you're asking about parking, I don't care about parking, man.  
Like honestly, the block to the west of me put in speed bumps because they can afford  
to spend the time to create speed bumps. My block, you know what the speed bumps  
are? It's the cars, you know. So, it's not a --  
MS. ORTIZ: So what I'm hearing is, you have a problem with people speeding on  
your block?  
MR. FALBY: Yeah.  
MS. ORTIZ: And if there --  
MR. FALBY: Actually, my car has been hit twice, but --  
MS. ORTIZ: And what else is on your block that might --  
MR. FALBY: You mean, a day care, during the day?  
MS. ORTIZ: Okay. There's a day care.  
MR. FALBY: Yeah. There's a day care. There's a day care that -- I don't know. It  
serves probably 50 to 70 kids.  
MS. ORTIZ: And would -- again, I --  
MR. FALBY: I don't know where you're going with this. I mean, I can tell you  
everything you want to know. I know about the footprint in the driveway. That footprint  
was left by a Youthbuild student who helped build it, like, they never sanded off the paint.  
I mean, I don't know. I can tell you anything you want to know about the place. But I  
don't -- you know. I mean, my big objection is straight up related to affordable housing  
and its availability, certainly not to making money. It's -- you know, I -- I get that, you  
know. In fact, if you want to move sooner, I would be thrilled, but this is -- this is not how  
we want to do this.  
MS. ORTIZ: Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Darr?  
MR. DARR: I'm just kind of following up with what you said. Do you believe there's  
adequate parking on the street? Is there -- do you find yourself not being able to find a  
place to park?  
MR. FALBY: Well, it's funny. So you mentioned Kirsten who lives to the south, so  
Tyler owns the house. He's the one who sent the parking complaint. So -- so he's  
concerned about parking. I don't know. Am I concerned about parking? Sure. I don't  
know. I'm in -- that's a hard one for me. I don't care about parking. This is not a NIMBY  
thing for me. This is like a -- it's just not. It's not a NIMBY thing. I mean, I double park,  
like sometimes I pull out a car to pull in a car. Like, sometimes Debbie parks in my  
driveway a little bit, so does her son. I don't know. Like, I ain't worried about parking, but  
I know you all are, but I'm not. I ain’t worried about that. So --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions? Commissioner Walters?  
MR. WALTERS: I think it's maybe useful to point out that -- and just as you're  
talking about some of your neighbors being displaced because rent is rising, don't you  
assume the same thing would happen here? If this were a long-term rental, chances are  
the rent here would go up, and there still would be issues for people's affordability.  
MR. FALBY: Yes. However, there would be one more place for a person to live who  
actually wants to be in Columbia right now, and that does have cascading effects.  
MR. WALTERS: Well, I agree with that.  
MR. FALBY: So you're right.  
MR. WALTERS: I would agree with that.  
MR. FALBY: It would push up the rent just by having -- like, that's just the course of  
time.  
MR. WALTERS: But --  
MR. FALBY: But again, what pushes up housing prices and rental prices? It's  
the amount of housing stock. And every time we'll slap an STR label on this, and we're  
going to do it sometimes. You asked me if I was just opposed outright? I don't know if I  
am. I've never been here before. But that's what we're doing. Like, we are going to make  
it slightly more difficult for people who intend to live here to find a place which will -- it just  
keeps pushing.  
MR. WALTERS: It's kind of a macro argument which the -- which this Commission  
has dealt with for years, and now it's also -- we were pointing out that some of the people  
who use STRs are not tourists and they're not here for three days.  
MR. FALBY: Yeah.  
MR. WALTERS: Sometimes they're here for weeks or months --  
MR. FALBY: Uh-huh.  
MR. WALTERS: -- and sometimes they're here because they're going to be two  
or three months. MR. FALBY: You’re right.  
MR. WALTERS: And so, anyway, I just think we need to broaden our ideas of  
what could happen here, and it is a problem. Affordable housing certainly is a problem,  
and I'm not trying to dismiss it, but I just think it's a -- maybe unfair to load that all onto  
this property here and have it dominate the discussion. That's my opinion.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions? Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: My colleagues’ points are valid, but definitely a big issue. These --  
Mr. Falby is right across the board, and it's -- you can never -- it -- I'm not opposed to it  
being an STR myself. I'm not. Because it -- to me, it goes back to my original argument  
when we started this whole conversation. This isn't a building for somebody who owns a  
piece of property to make an extra buck, and increase family wealth. I -- my vote will  
depend on if I trust the system behind it to make it still a good place in my neighborhood.  
If I'm not convinced that the agent or the system that is in place to watch this STR and  
protect the interests of all the neighbors and all the fears that -- if that -- if I'm not  
convinced of that, I will vote no, but it's not the principle of their right to do so. It's do I  
have faith that it will be done in a way that will not put a smile on Mr. Falby's face, but we  
will equally be ticked off, which is a perfect compromise. So that's where I'm at.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Anyone else? Thank you for being here tonight. I appreciate  
it. You're -- you're good. Thank you. Next, please come forward. Name and address for  
the record.  
MS. BANKS: My name is Barbie Banks; I live at 215 West Ash, which is just down  
the street from this one. I also sent an e-mail to Paula and Jenny, and I don't think there  
is probably much that you can do as Commissioners to not push this forward, so my  
message is more to Paula and Jenny to reconsider and pull this application and make  
this a long-term rental for a family. A three bedroom, two bath space in this area in our  
neighborhood is really hard to find for people. And so I'm pulling at your heart strings, at  
your sense of social justice. Withdraw this application and make it a long-term rental for  
five or ten years. That's all I have to say.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Are there any questions for this speaker?  
Commissioner Ortiz?  
MS. ORTIZ: Do you know anything about this property that would make it not a good  
candidate to be a short-term rental?  
MS. BANKS: Other than it -- just how it's moving somebody outside of the central  
city. So I don't think there's probably anything under what the -- what you, as  
Commissioners, can do that would make it not a -- I mean, I think, legally, it's probably  
there. Ethically, I don't think it should be a short-term rental.  
MS. ORTIZ: Thank you.  
MS. BANKS: Yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Anyone else? Seeing none. Thank you for being here, Ms.  
Banks. Next speaker, come forward.  
MS. DOKKEN: Dee Dokken, 804 Again Street. Yeah, it would be great if it was a  
long-term rental. And even though it's not 300 feet from a licensed short-term rental, I  
think 200 block of McBaine has two -- at least two, so it is pretty dense there, and what a  
great neighborhood. I didn't realize these people were neighbors there. But the reason I  
came here is I was upset with the -- I didn't know about the history of the house, but  
upset with the extra driveway, extra concrete. And it looks like everyone is on the same  
page with that, so I'm very glad that if it is a short-term rental, it would be for four people.  
Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you, Ms. Dokken. Any questions? No? Thanks, Dee.  
Anyone else to speak on this case, please come forward. Normally, I say only one  
person at the podium at a time, but we'll make an exception in this case.  
MS. SIMPSON: Hi. I'm Jessica Simpson; I reside at 652 Hunt Ridge Drive. And I  
will be the host on Paula and Jenny's property. I am a realtor, so they contacted me.  
Actually, they had another realtor. They contacted me through Airbnb and -- because  
there's, like a thing that you can, like, reach out if you want someone to host your  
property. And so, they were, like, hey, we have a realtor in Columbia that we've been,  
like, talking to, but we want you to manage our property once we get one. And I would  
say, okay, well, I'm also a realtor actually, so what kind of are you looking for in a  
property? And so they told me some of their, like, requirements, and I was, like, okay, I  
know exactly what neighborhood we need to look at. We need to look at West Ash  
because they are -- Paula is an artist. Jenny is a teacher. They want to be able to walk  
to the Farmer's Market. They want to be able to just, like, be on foot as much as  
possible. And so I was, like, I just knew, being familiar with Columbia, that this is going  
to be the neighborhood that they were happiest in. And I -- maybe I'm speaking, like, for  
her, but, huh, it does feel like nervous up here. But ever -- when I -- when I -- the whole  
time I've been talking to them, they told me they would retire in about two years, so I've  
never heard anything about five to ten years. And we closed -- I can't even remember. I  
kind of still have, like, pregnancy brain, I think, but we closed on the house -- it's been at  
least a couple months or beginning of October, I guess, actually. And they were kind of,  
like, we would love to Columbia for Thanksgiving with our family. Can we wait? And I  
was, like, we can wait until March if you want to. Like, I'm not in any rush. I'm not  
pushing you. Like, this is your property. You -- this is the point. This is why you want  
to do this is because you -- and I told them, I said, if we need to wait two years to find the  
perfect property, like, we need to find the perfect one. I'm not a realtor who is just, like, I  
don't just sell people houses to make money. Like, I sell people houses to help them  
build a life. And I know I actually kind of -- we looked at properties all over Columbia, and  
I had a feeling. I was, like, I think this is the one. Like, I think you're going to be so  
happy here, and this is where you're going to want to live. And we walked away from it.  
No one put it under contract. So there was plenty of time for other people to put this  
property under contract. If one of the neighbors wanted to live there, there was plenty of  
time. And that did not happen, and so it kind of, like, they almost gave up. And Jenny  
was, like, can you, like, it would be great if we found a house for my birthday. And I was,  
like, well, McBaine is still there, and I was, like, I'm surprised, because it was so  
affordable. And I was, like, this is really going to be the perfect house for you. Like, they  
wanted, like, an older home, and I was, like, this one is -- I don't like to -- I -- like, it  
makes me nervous to sell, you know, the older, like, bungalow homes because they were  
built 50, 80 years ago, and there's so many foundation issues. And I was, like, I just  
know this is going to be the perfect house for you to retire in. You're not going to end up  
spending $50,000 just to fix things. Like, it's perfect for you guys as it is. Like, you don't  
have to make any changes to it, and so that's kind of the story on, like, why we kind of  
picked this exact house because I knew this was the neighborhood that, like, they will  
love the neighborhood. The neighbors will love them. I think they will just, like, fit in very  
well. And so I think that -- and their goal, they're -- they want to be here often. Like, they  
have -- they have already came down four or five times since we've started looking for  
homes, and I love them. Like, that's the thing about, like, my -- a lot of my real estate  
clients, I just end up, like, seem very different with them. And I just care about them.  
And I think that -- I really think they will fit in with the neighborhood, and, yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you, Ms. Simpson. You might want to pick up the pop  
thing. Any questions for this speaker? Commissioner Stanton, did you have something?  
MR. STANTON: Yes. So you -- you're an agent for other Airbnbs?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yeah. I think -- I don't know if I'm confused on what, like, the  
designated agent means, because you said, like --  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MS. SIMPSON: -- would a family member be better, so I am the host.  
MR. STANTON: So the designated agent -- okay. So the designated agent is the  
person that we call at 3:00 in the morning --  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes. Yes.  
MR. STANTON: -- that's going down --  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes. Yes. That's me. I don't sleep, ever.  
MR. STANTON: it's a party, it can happen, who is coming to make that right?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes. Yes. Yes. That would be me.  
MR. STANTON: That’s you?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MS. SIMPSON: I would prefer you to call me than one of her family members --  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MS. SIMPSON: who might not answer the phone.  
MR. STANTON: I'm trying to think, have I -- have you been here before -- before us  
as an agent for somebody's other property?  
MR. SIMPSON: No.  
MR. STANTON: Okay. I told you my requirements.  
MS. SIMPSON: Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: I've got to be -- I'm -- I -- I built this house, so I'm just going to own  
it. I built this house with youth in a neighborhood that is historically African-American  
with African-American history bleeding through it. It's bleeding through my veins right  
now. How are you going to main-- show me you're going to maintain this house and its  
history and its integrity, and all of that, and get the right people to rent it and all of that.  
Convince me.  
MS. SIMPSON: So I have been a host for 10 years. I have been a host -- I started  
hosting in California. Then I started managing. My next job was managing Airbnbs,  
multiple Airbnbs remotely from Florida. I did that for years. I never had one single issue  
managing from Missouri. I went down. I set up a team. So if I can do it from, you know,  
half of the country away, I can do it. I mean, I already -- I am doing it. I can -- I know  
what I'm doing. I have a handyman on staff. I don't have my own staff, but, you know,  
he's my 1099 guy. I have cleaners. And maybe this home is not going to directly to a  
family, but my cleaners are single moms. Like, I'm a single mom, this is why my baby is  
here right here. So all of my cleaners are actually, like, the City regulations are really  
hurting my cleaners, to be honest, because most of my Airbnbs are pulling out. And  
they're begging me. They're, like, please, we need more work. And I'm, like, I'm trying.  
Like, I operate one of my own properties, and it's at a loss. And I, like, have had to take  
it off, because of Airbnb regulations. And so I'm looking for opportunities to give these  
moms because they're working full-time jobs, and they're cleaning -- they want to clean  
every single day after they get off work to make more money, because I pay them very  
well. Like, better than anybody else. And so, they -- I mean, I wish -- I can bring them,  
and they can speak. They know how I run it, and they kind of -- they help me. We're a  
team. Like, my cleaners have access to all the messages, so if there's a chance that I'm  
asleep at 3:00 a.m. and one of them is awake, one of them, like, watches the messages  
like a hawk. I'm, like, okay, let me do my job sometimes, but she will step in if for some  
reason, I'm asleep at 3:00 in the morning and someone has an issue. So, I mean, that  
doesn't really ever happen, to be honest, but I have a tight ship and my properties, they're  
always, like, the nicest on the block. I mean, for a short-term rental, you can't have, like,  
someone drive up to a scraggly property with unmowed grass and trash in the yard. Like,  
that's going to get a bad review. It has to look better than any other property on the  
street.  
MR. STANTON: Would the owner be open to the mid-term kind of rental, like, for  
nurses that are here for three months, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  
MS. SIMPSON: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I have a lot -- because I'm a realtor, I have  
people that we have like a listserv. And so it will be, like, I may have someone looking -- I  
have someone looking. And so I put those -- honestly, now I'm trying to move a lot of  
Airbnbs over to mid-term, which is, like, kind of a rock and a hard place because it’s like  
then the City is not getting any money for that. And my cleaners don't get to clean every  
week, they're only cleaning every three months. So it's kind of -- it's easier on me  
because I don't have to message everybody all the time, but, yeah. They're -- and I told  
them that there is -- you know, we have the 210-night maximum, but we -- if we want to  
fill it up more than that, then we can turn it over to mid-term rental, and just give both --  
not permit, I guess, rental occupancy compliance.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other questions? I've got a couple. So have you also  
helped them put in an application for a long-term rental occupancy permit?  
MS. SIMPSON: We haven't done anything yet because they haven't -- they closed  
on it a couple of months ago and they -- she's the -- she says she hasn't lived there, but  
she's been basically staying there the whole time since.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Right. But did you help them fill out this application, or were  
you helping them with that at all, or do they just do this part on their own?  
MS. SIMPSON: They did it on their own.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. You manage -- and I say manage. You host other  
properties?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: You understand that --  
MS. SIMPSON: A few at the lake, other places -- Hartsburg.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: You understand the difference between hosting and being the  
designated agent. Right?  
MS. SIMPSON: I -- I think there's a blurred line. I think it's the same thing. If there's  
any issue, someone is going to call me. If there's an issue with a guest, if there's an  
issue with the City, I'm the point of contact.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Well, the difference is the designated agent is responsible in  
the City's eyes --  
MS. SIMPSON: Yeah.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: -- for what happens on the license.  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: There is another property that I believe you manage, 3408  
Eastham Drive?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: That was before us last week.  
MS. SIMPSON: I think it was --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Or two weeks ago, yeah. Our last meeting. Not last week,  
our last meeting.  
MS. SIMPSON: Okay.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: One of my concerns there was it sounded like there  
wasn't good communication. So can you explain how you, as the host, communicate  
with the owners, because, presumably, you're not sitting on the owner's escrow account  
or something to do all of these repairs and stuff. Like, you -- it's not your property. You  
have to get permission. So how do you communicate with the owners of the property if  
something goes wrong?  
MS. SIMPSON: I mean, so say there -- a guest says, hey, there's a toilet running.  
Then I tell the owner, hey, we need to get someone in. Do you need me to get it, or do  
you have a person to come today? Like, a toilet running, we need to do it immediately.  
It's not, like, oh, the dryer went out, and we'll do it next week, you know. So is that what  
you're asking?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah. What I'm -- what I'm asking is what -- I guess what I'm  
asking is this. Like, if -- unlike if you are just the host and somebody else is the  
designated agent, if the police get called while this -- there are guests there, and you're  
the host, you're never going to hear from the police, but you are going to hear from the  
police if you have a designated agent. The City is going to be calling you, and you have  
to respond. And then -- and -- and I think my -- concern may be too strong of a word, but  
I want to make sure that you understand that your obligations go beyond advertising the  
property. Does that make sense?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yeah. Yeah. And I totally -- I totally stepped in that role. They've  
asked me that, like, that's -- now if there was something to -- that has never happened at  
any of my properties. But if that were to happen, I would expect for the police to call me  
and I would expect to be the one to respond.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Uh-huh. Because you're the listed designated agent?  
MS. SIMPSON: Because I'm the host, but yes. To me -- I think to me, and I think  
supports what you're saying. It's one to me.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Uh-huh.  
MS. SIMPSON: There's not, like, a difference. Just because they're different -- a  
homeowner, yes. But I -- like, you know, Airbnb becomes passive only when you don't  
have to do anything. Right? Short-term rental. And so I want this to be passive  
opportunity for my owners. They can be involved, as involved as they want. They can be  
in their property as much as they want. But I am taking care of organizing everything,  
any issues, any repairs. Does that make sense?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay. It does, and again, I'm just -- there -- there -- there is --  
MS. SIMPSON: I'm happy to -- if something were to happen and the police were to  
contact me, I would absolutely welcome that.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: There is front line response, which would be you, and then  
there's ultimate responsibility, which would be the owners.  
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: My concern is to make sure that when you are contacted as  
the front line response, you are also communicating that to the owners every time without  
fail?  
MS. SIMPSON: Oh, yeah. That's totally -- that's no problem. I've never had police  
contact me for any of these I've ever had, so --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: I'm not talking about necessarily police, but also, like,  
Neighborhood Services for grass being too long, or the trash bins being out, or neighbors  
complaining about marijuana smell, or any of that kind of stuff; you see what I'm saying?  
MS. SIMPSON: But -- yeah. I think you're crossing over with Eastham right now, we  
never -- we didn't get contacted for that. So --  
MS. GEUEA JONES: And, see, this is -- what I want to make sure is that since you  
are the designated agent, if you hear about things like that, which I don't think -- I'm not  
saying that's going to be a problem at this property. But what I am saying is you have an  
obligation to report everything you hear to the owners, and I want to make sure that you  
understand that that -- that is more serious now that you're on the official paperwork as a  
registered agent, than if you're just the host in a way that is not legally binding under the  
laws of licensure of the City. Does that make sense?  
MS. SIMPSON: Yeah. I think I already, like, have that expectation.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Okay.  
MS. SIMPSON: So that doesn't seem like a new, you know, like a new avenue or a  
new role for me.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Any other questions?  
MR. STANTON: I have one more.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: How many -- do you have any properties in the central city that  
you host or A designated agent for?  
MS. SIMPSON: I have two of my own. One is a mid-term. One has been -- has  
been an Airbnb. I'm trying to decide if I'm in the process of selling it, or -- I don't know  
what I'm going to do with it. Since I had my baby, my family stays there a lot because  
they're not located in Columbia, so we all go and stay there because they go to my  
property. So I don't know. What -- I might turn it into a mid-term. I'm kind of emotionally  
attached to it, but I don't know yet what to do with that one.  
MR. STANTON: Thank you.  
MS. SIMPSON: There is no one in it now. It's vacant.  
MR. STANTON: Okay. Thank you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Anyone else? Seeing none. Thank you for being here  
tonight. I believe everyone has had a chance to speak. Yes. Then I will close public  
comment.  
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED  
MS. GEUEA JONES: And we will go to Commissioner comments. Are there any  
Commissioner comments on this case? Oh, sorry. Jesse, yes?  
MR. CRAIG: If I -- if I may, Madam Chair, I've got a couple of comments before --  
before we proceed with this.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Please?  
MR. CRAIG: Just as a -- I don't want to confuse the issues. This is actually meant  
to clarify some Commissioner questions. I looked at the Recorder of Deeds on this  
property, and to Commissioner Walters' point, and a couple of other questions, Job Point  
conveyed this property in 2013. The applicant is a third subsequent -- there's three  
degrees of separation from Job Point to the applicant. Looking at the initial deed  
conveying from Job Point to the initial buyer, I see nothing in a restriction. However, even  
if there were, or I'm missing something, much like an HOA restrictive covenant, that is for  
Job Point to enforce and not the City. Second point, question for Commissioner Stanton.  
Although you have no financial investment in this -- in this case which would require you  
to recuse yourself, it sounds like it has some emotional investment. Are you certain you  
can be objective and dispassionate in your vote tonight?  
MR. STANTON: I think my test-- I think my -- I think the record will show you that I  
am. That's number one. Number two, I've built so many, I couldn't remember myself until  
somebody reminded me of such. That's number two. I'm passionate about a lot of things  
that happen in this Commission, and it's never swayed my vote on anything. So to  
answer your question, I think the record will reflect the answer that you seek.  
MR. CRAIG: Very good.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Is that --  
MR. CRAIG: Yeah. That's all for me.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Any --  
MR. ZENNER: Ms. Chairman?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Mr. Zenner, yes.  
MR. ZENNER: So I -- to add onto Mr. Craig's comments, I happen to have our  
housing -- an Affordable Housing Fee Waiver ordinance in front of me. The Affordable  
Housing Fee Waiver ordinance was originally adopted in 2016, many years after this  
home was constructed, and actually three years after the home was sold from Job Point.  
The current ordinance, which was amended in 2018 to include provisions dealing with  
short- or accessory dwelling units being added also provided a time period in which  
repayment should a CHDO, a housing authority taking -- a housing entity taking money  
from the City to build that home, established a five-year term limit for repayment. So this  
home was sold from Job Point in 2013. According to the Assessor's records, it was built  
in 2011. So whatever the conveyance was at that point, it was actually purchased in  
2009 from the former owner by Job Point. 2009 to 2011 was when the home was built. It  
was not sold until 2013. I would suggest to you that if the ordinance that we currently  
have that deals with housing fee waiver were in place, which it was not, all obligations for  
repayment would have been expired by this point.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Any other Commissioner comment?  
Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: To defend myself, I think I made that clear to both parties that need  
to hear that. I made that clear that -- that that had probably expired by the time this  
situation came up. So that's been on the record and that's been said.  
MR. CRAIG: That's fair. I just wanted to get that on the record, you know.  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MR. CRAIG: This isn't an attack or a doubt that you can do that. I just wanted to  
get it on the record that you can be dispassionate --  
MR. STANTON: I'm a good counterpart either way.  
MR. CRAIG: Yeah. Yeah.  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MR. ZENNER: And I just wanted to make sure that we all understand, from a staff  
perspective, this is a topic that generally does not come up from an evaluation  
perspective, though the ordinance that would be applicable would be beginning in  
basically 2016 and moving forward. So homes that may have taken fee waiver  
responsibilities as a five-year window before they may be resold without having to do any  
repayment, the ordinance currently that is in place also restricts the use of a short-term  
rental -- or, I apologize -- an accessory dwelling unit being converted to a short-term  
rental, specifically culled out, and that was a component that was adopted in 2018. So if  
you took a fee waiver for an ADU, it cannot be used for short-term rental purposes, and  
that's very explicit. So we will take note of this particular conversation this evening as we  
potentially look through further applications as they come in. Depending on the area that  
they are in, it could be more pronounced that we may need to be more diligent in that  
evaluation. So that was the only reason I wanted to bring up the points that I have  
brought up. We do have means by which to evaluate those types of homes that have  
received City funding that used fee waiver and that we can verify that, as well.  
MR. STANTON: And it is a -- it is a pertinent discussion because unless you have a  
trigger, you wouldn't know. Like, this house, where if a land trust person had a home and  
tried to make it a short-term rental, and how will we catch that? Due to the fact we are in  
the central city, there's been a lot of properties that have had affordable housing  
assistance, so that's why this is a very relevant question, and I'm glad that we have an  
answer to that. But it will come up if they -- if we start addressing central city homes in  
that way.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Gray, do you have something?  
DR. GRAY: I think I have a question for Mr. Zenner. I know we've talked before in  
other cases about some of the tensions between the priorities of policies within the  
Comprehensive Plan, and I guess I'm wondering if there are any, like, considerations with  
the policies around livable and sustainable communities given the information that we've  
received today that we might want to consider.  
MR. ZENNER: I mean, a livable and sustainable community is consistent of a variety  
of housing topologies with people of varying purposes of why they may own property, and  
the incomes that are going to be evolved with that. The ability to provide housing that  
offers something that is not what traditionally may be provided does meet an objective.  
And so, short-term rental usage of a single-family dwelling unit or an apartment unit that  
is within a broader building, as we have seen, offers opportunities to create livable  
environments for short-term rental tenants that aren't interested in a mid-term rental, they  
are here enjoying our community. So I would suggest to you that it is part of an overall  
broader concept. Specifically, our -- our -- the regulatory development process that we  
went through with spacing requirements, with licensure limitations, all of those conditions  
that are part of the evaluation process are designed to ensure that we are not bleeding  
away the opportunity to leave affordable housing. Private property rights and the ability to  
acquire property for personal purposes and usage is something that exists, and it is  
attention that we do have to address. As Mr. Stanton pointed out, this process was  
created so property owners who desire to use this vehicle had to come and get approval.  
They had to come and ask for permission, and because this is not their principal  
residence, it is elevated that much higher to the conditional use stage. If this was their  
principal home, and they wanted to exit the home up to 120 nights annually, they could  
do that without having to be before anybody. We wouldn't have put a sign out front, they  
would have sought to get a license and been able to have operated the house in an exact  
same way. Because they are not the primary tenant and they want more -- or the  
primary resident, and they want more than 120 nights, they come through this process.  
And so, conditionally, I mean, I think when we weigh the -- when you have to weigh the  
scale, you have to put it on the scale and you have to weigh it, spacing requirements,  
compliance with other technical standards, and then the purview of the Commission to  
say, well, the applicant indicated they wanted 210 nights, is 210 nights appropriate?  
Maybe we want more mid-term rental in this neighborhood, not as much short-term. That  
is within the purview of this body. You can restrict with the accepted -- with or without  
the acceptance of the applicant. It's best if you get the acceptance of the applicant, or  
you can restrict the total number of guests based upon what the sight is capable of  
accommodating. And Paula is correct. Ms. Clayton is correct. In the discussions with  
me in preparation of this application, as we have done in several other applications, we  
suggested to ask for more than you know you are capable of to avoid the opportunity  
that, should the use be successful, that you can make the improvement necessary and  
not come back through the process. We get through this once, but we, from an  
administrative perspective, will not allow that license to be any greater than what the  
capacity of the property is at the time of licensure. So that is why they are seeking --  
that's why the application says six. It was at the advice of staff, and at the advice of staff,  
not to answer Ms. Geuea Jones' question, they have not sought long-term rental at this  
point because if they seek long-term rental separate from short-term rental, they are  
subject to a dual payment of fees and separate inspections. If they do it together as a  
single application, it is one inspection and one inspection fee, and that would be more  
consistent with the processing of this application. First, figure out if you are going to be  
approved for a short-term rental use, and if you're not -- if you are, you haven’t expended  
extra money. If you are not, you're going to spend the same amount of money to get the  
long-term rental license in order to make this property viable as an income property in  
your absence. And so that is the general approach we take with many of our applicants.  
If the time frame is so long and they are eager to begin receiving revenue from a mid-term  
rental, we will advise them to apply for the short -- or the long-term rental license prior to  
even coming here in order to save the two-and-a-half to three-month delay that they will  
be having to carry that house without any possible revenue. And that would be very  
consistent with making sure that that home is available for long-term -- more long-term  
related tenants. In this particular instance, this applicant has not indicated an interest in  
doing that, so that's why they have not applied for the long-term rental license.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Anything else, Commissioner Gray?  
DR. GRAY: No.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other Commissioner comments? Commissioner  
Darr?  
MR. DARR: I'm willing to support for a maximum of four guests.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Brodsky?  
MR. BRODSKY: Yeah. I'll echo what -- Commissioner Darr's statement. You know,  
just looking at the items that we look at when we approve these, I think to kick this up to  
six guests with a giant concrete parking pad out front would not be in character with the  
neighborhood, and it sounds like the applicant is -- is agreeable to that four-guest  
limitation. So I would be in support of this application with that maximum of four transient  
guests.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any other Commissioner comment? Seeing none. Would  
anyone like to make a motion?  
MR. WALTERS: I would.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Go ahead, Commissioner Walters.  
MR. WALTERS: And for the benefit of the audience, all motions we make are in the  
affirmative. I -- regarding Case Number 11-2026, I recommend -- I recommend approval  
of that requested STR CUP subject to maximum occupancy of four transient guests,  
maximum of 210 nights of annual rental usage, and that the one-car garage be made  
available when the dwelling is used for STR purposes.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Is there a second?  
MS. ORTIZ: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Walters, seconded by  
Commissioner Ortiz. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none.  
Commissioner Brodsky, if you're ready, may we have a roll call?  
Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.  
Walters,  
Mr. Brodsky, Mr. Darr, Ms. Ortiz. Voting No: Mr. Stanton, Ms. Stockton, Ms.  
Geuea Jones,  
Dr. Gray. The vote is tied, 4 to 4.  
MR. BRODSKY: The motion is a tie, so I believe that would be no recommendation?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: That will be no recommendation, which I believe is treated  
negatively at City Council?  
MR. ZENNER: Correct. And it will go under old business.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: It will go under old business, which means that it will have a  
full public hearing and not be on the consent agenda. And I can't tell you what the  
schedule is, but call tomorrow and -- and you can get that information from Mr. Zenner.  
Okay. That was our last case for the evening. So with that concluded, we'll go to Public  
Comments.  
Recommend approval of that requested STR CUP subject to maximum  
occupancy of four transient guests, maximum of 210 nights of annual rental  
usage, and that the one-car garage be made available when the dwelling is used  
for STR purposes.  
4 - Walters, Ortiz, Brodsky and Darr  
4 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Gray and Stockton  
1 - Wilson  
Yes:  
No:  
Excused:  
VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Are there any public comments of a general nature? Seeing  
none.  
VIII. STAFF COMMENTS  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Mr. Zenner?  
MR. ZENNER: Your next meeting will be on December 4th, so we do have a couple  
of items, and we, as I think I've previously said, we are in a seasonal slow-down, so our  
agendas are becoming a little bit less intense. You have two cases. That's it for  
December 4. And we will have a work session -- a standard work session at 5:30 that  
same evening. You have a permanent zoning request that is just to the southeast of the  
Gans Recreation Center, cross-country area, and this is a request to basically take in  
County R-S property, which is equivalent to our City R-1, single family dwelling property,  
for the purposes of being able to extend the City sewer to serve the property and allow it  
to be, if I'm not incorrect, developed or redeveloped with an existing single-family home,  
and it is a contiguous parcel, so this would be a direct annexation, and so a separate  
annexation hearing would be held on this, as well. And then we have a request for  
approval of a R-1 ADU CUP. This is something that we do not see very frequently. This  
is off of South Glenwood, and that is -- given the fact that it is in the R-1, it requires the  
conditional use permit. There is a series of standard review criteria that we will evaluate,  
as well as there is generally a standard condition to the Conditional Use Permit that the  
Commissioner has chosen to apply that only one of the dwelling units may be in the  
rental program. This -- so that would -- that would be addressed as a part of the  
Commission's recommendation, and will be covered in the staff report. So you know  
where we're talking about, our parcel that is seeking permanent zoning upon annexation,  
they're just south of the City's boundary. And then our ADU CUP request off of South  
Glenwood. In regards to the question that Ms. Dokken asked this evening, the City of  
Columbia's Parks and Recreation Department, in coordination with our Public Works staff  
would need to prepare proper legal descriptions and applications for the rezoning of any  
City-owned property. There have been very few occasions in where the City Parks and  
Recreation Department has sought rezoning of park land. Most park land within the City  
of Columbia is zoned R-1, and the legal description that is prepared, is prepared by our  
City land surveyor. The City land surveyor is also responsible for doing all other land  
surveying functions as it relates to all capital projects that we have within the City, and  
therefore, unless the priority is identified for the surveying of other City-owned assets that  
need to be rezoned, such as our parks, that is one reason we do not see many of them.  
R-1 is a City-owned property. They have often been granted to us through conveyances  
of trusts and things of that nature. We have possibly used federal dollars by which to  
make improvements to said parks, and therefore, really, the potential for redevelopment of  
a said park under the R-1 zoning designation, given some of the strings that are attached  
as its use as a City asset, often doesn't occur. We can try to identify in a more direct  
way that the zoning of a particular property adjoining a site that is owned by City -- that is  
owned by the City and what its use is, but, at this point, we leave normally the rezoning  
action of municipal property to the departments that own it and seeking it. The only  
property that I can tell you that we have formally rezoned and we rezoned it out of  
planned district to the open space district was the Philips Farm or Philips Lake Park  
down on the south end of town. And that was to eliminate the planned designation as it  
was moving forward for the purposes of construction of the field house, as well as the  
fishing facilities that are down there, and any other future improvement. We have only  
opted to utilize O zoning in the City on privately-owned property out at Old Hawthorne,  
the golf course, portion of the golf course is under 0-1, even though the remainder -- the  
majority of the golf course out there is actually R-1, and then Midway Golf and Games is  
the only other property that we have within the corporate limits that actually has a portion  
of their property zoned O. It is a very, very small percentage of our land area that has  
actually used that zoning classification. We could talk with our Parks and Recreation  
partners, as well as our Public Work staff who manages all City land, to determine if  
there is a program or a process that they anticipate on trying to bring these properties  
maybe into more compliant zoning classifications, and we could report that back to you.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you, Mr. Zenner. And I made a note on my ongoing  
list, but I do not want to delay small lots. Thank you.  
MR. ZENNER: It's a simple phone call, ma'am.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Hmmm. You say that. Very good.  
IX. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Any comments from my fellow Commissioners? Any motions  
from my fellow Commissioners. Commissioner Stanton?  
MR. STANTON: The short-term rental case we just heard, there is no statute of  
limitations. Correct?  
MS. GEUEA JONES: They can reapply at any time.  
MR. STANTON: They can reapply --  
MR. ZENNER: Reapply -- let me -- let's clarify this, because the Eastham applicant  
reapplied the Monday after it was denied at this body. Without a withdrawal of the denied  
application, we cannot receive an application for reconsideration. We have an active  
case. That active case must complete the process. So you will not be able -- the  
applicant is not capable of resubmitting a denied short-term rental unless they withdraw  
the denied short-term rental, and there is no attachment of a 12-month period on that.  
Now, that's typical for any other land-use related action, or they have to let it play out  
through the Council process.  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MR. ZENNER: If it's denied at Council, then they can come back.  
MR. STANTON: Okay.  
MR. ZENNER: And just so, while we have everyone here, and those in TV-land are  
wondering when this is going, the second reading of this particular case will be scheduled  
for the first meeting in January, which, if I am not incorrect, will be January 5th of 2026.  
MR. STANTON: January 5th. Okay.  
UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible.)  
MS. GEUEA JONES: If you'll hang on just a minute, we'll close it out, and then we'll  
chat with you. Anyone like to make a motion or have further comment?  
X. NEXT MEETING DATE - December 4, 2025 @ 7 pm (tentative)  
XI. ADJOURNMENT  
MR. WALTERS: I make a motion for adjournment.  
MR. STANTON: Second.  
MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Walters. Motion to adjourn made by  
Commissioner Walters, seconded by Commissioner Stanton. Without objection, we  
stand adjourned.  
(The meeting adjourned at 8:35 p.m.)  
(Off the record.)  
Motion for adjournment