City of Columbia, Missouri

Meeting Minutes

Planning and Zoning Commission

Columbia City Hall

Council Chambers

701 E Broadway

Thursday, September 18, 2025

Regular Meeting

7:00 PM

I. CALL TO ORDER

MS. GEUEA JONES: Good evening. I will now call to order the September 18th,

2025 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

II. INTRODUCTIONS

MS. GEUEA JONES: Please, may we have a roll call, Commissioner Brodsky?

MR. BRODSKY: We may. Commissioner Darr?

MR. DARR: Here.

MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Geuea Jones?

MS. GEUEA JONES: Here.

MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Gray?

DR. GRAY: Here.

MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Ortiz is absent. Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: Here.

MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Stockton?

MS. STOCKTON: Here.

MR. BRODSKY: Commissioner Walters and Commissioner Wilson are absent, and

I am present. We have a quorum of six.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you.

6 -

Present:

Anthony Stanton, Sharon Geuea Jones, David Brodsky, Les Gray, Kate Stockton

and Cody Darr

3 - Shannon Wilson, Robert Walters and McKenzie Ortiz

Excused:

III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

MS. GEUEA JONES: Are there any changes or adjustments to our agenda this

evening, Mr. Zenner?

MR. ZENNER: Yes, there are. The first item on the agenda, Case Number 284-

2025, has been requested to be tabled. We have slides prepared for that.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Very good. With that adjustment, is there a motion to

approve the agenda?

MR. STANTON: I move to approve the agenda.

DR. GRAY: Second.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Approve -- or motion made by Commissioner Stanton;

seconded by Commissioner Gray. Thumbs up approval on the agenda.

(Unanimous vote for approval)

MS. GEUEA JONES: Unanimous. Thank you.

Move to approve the agenda.

IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

September 4, 2025 Regular Meeting

MS. GEUEA JONES: We all received a copy of the September 4th, 2025, regular

meeting minutes. Are there any changes or adjustments to the minutes? Is there a

motion to approve?

MR. STANTON: I move to approve the minutes.

DR. GRAY: Second.

MS. GEUEA JONES: A motion made by Commissioner Stanton; seconded by

Commissioner Gray. Thumbs up approval of the minutes?

(Five votes for approval; one abstention.)

MS. GEUEA JONES: Unanimous with Commissioner Brodsky abstaining. Very

good.

Move to approve

V. PUBLIC HEARING & SUBDIVISION

Case # 284-2025

A request by Crockett Engineering (agent), on behalf of Consolidated

Public Water Supply District No. 1 (owner), for approval of a 1-lot Final

Major Plat of IG (Industrial - General) zoned property, to be known as

Consolidated Water, Plat No. 1 and an associated design adjustment from

Sec 29-5.1(d), regarding required construction of sidewalks. The

approximately 3.56-acre subject site is located northeast of Nebraska

Avenue and Seventh Street, and includes the address 1500 Seventh

Street.

MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?

MR. ZENNER: Yes. As indicated, the applicant has requested that this item be

tabled until the October 23rd meeting. That is to allow the staff and the applicant to

coordinate and review options for the elimination of a private electric easement that

traverses this particular project site that was identified after the packet's production that

is going to be in the future dedicated right-of-way that was shown for the northern portions

of North Seventh Street after the final plat is approved. So we need to resolve that matter.

It could result in an additional design adjustment needing to be advertised for, and then

the staff report being revised, or it may have several other potential outcomes, and the

delay will allow us to be able to determine which of the approaches is most appropriate

and most expedient. So with that, we are supportive of the October 23rd date certain

tabling request and believe that this project can then be brought forward and discussed at

that point.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Very good, are there any questions for staff about the tabling

motion? Seeing none. We will go to public comment. This is just about the tabling

motion.

PUBLIC HEARING OPENED

If there's any public comment on the tabling motion, please come forward. Seeing

none. We will close public comment.

PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED

MS. GEUEA JONES: And go to Commissioner comment. Is there any

Commissioner comment? Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: Madam Chair, if my colleagues have no further comments, I would

like to entertain a motion.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Please do.

MR. STANTON: As it relates to Case 284-2025, 1500 North Seventh Street, design

adjustment and final plat, I move to table the case till October 23rd.

DR. GRAY: Second.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Motion made by Commissioner Stanton; seconded by

Commissioner Gray. Very good. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none.

May we please have a roll call, Commissioner Brodsky?

Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.

Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Mr. Stanton, Ms. Stockton, Mr. Brodsky. The

motion carries 6-0.

MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. That case will be tabled to October 23rd, 2025.

Move to table the case till October 23rd.

6 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Brodsky, Gray, Stockton and Darr

Yes:

3 - Wilson, Walters and Ortiz

Excused:

VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS

Case # 288-2025

A request by Engineering Surveys & Services (agent), on behalf of The

Bank of Missouri (owner), seeking approval of a conditional use permit

(CUP) to allow a drive-up facility at the southeast corner of Nifong

Boulevard and Bethel Street, subject to the use-specific, and conditional

use standards of Sec. 29-3.3(jj) and Sec. 29-6.4(m)(2) of the Unified

Development Code, respectively. The 2.31-acre property is located at 310

Nifong Boulevard.

MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?

Staff report was given by Mr. Rusty Palmer of the Planning and Development

Department. Staff recommends approval of the requested conditional use permit for the

proposed banking center drive-thru facility.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Before we go to questions for staff, if any of my

fellow Commissioners have had any contact with parties to this case outside of a public

hearing, please disclose so now. Seeing none. Questions for staff? Seeing none. We

will go to public comment.

PUBLIC HEARING OPENED

MS. GEUEA JONES: If any members of the general public would like to speak,

please come forward. State your name and address for the record. We allow six

minutes for the applicant and groups and three minutes for individuals. Start when you're

ready.

MR. KRIETE: Thank you. My name is Matthew Kriete; I'm with Engineering Surveys

and Services, offices at 1113 Fay Street, again, a civil engineer on the project. There it

goes. Okay. So again as we mentioned, we're looking at a conditional use permit for the

drive-through on the bank. So I want to address the requirements and conditions of

approval here. So first off, again, we have adequate infrastructure around the site. I've

highlighted there in green the sewer, blue the water, red electric, so you can see we've

got utilities around there, as well, sitting at the corner of Nifong and Bethel with our

access off of an existing private road. Initially, kind of looking at the site, laid on -- on the

-- our property laid on this site, you can see the drive-through positioned away from the

street frontage from Bethel and Nifong and away from the residential areas, and I've

highlighted then that private drive we're referring to, as well. And again from point of

access, we've got signals at both Bethel and Nifong and another way on Nifong, as well.

We also, from an access standpoint, just a little more specifics about it. We've

mentioned the right-in/right-out. You now see also the island and median that prevents

any left turns in and out of that driveway, as well as the full access onto Bethel. And

currently under construction is a connection that will connect that private drive across all

the way to the roundabout, so there will be access all the way out to the other signal, so

great access into this property. In terms of circulation, again, as mentioned, the

drive-through does have its own separate lane, does have adequate site -- a stacking

distance. The parking itself has two points of access, so, you know, anything ever were

to back up, there's another point in and out. But I've drawn arrows just showing how the

circulation works. You can see the right-in/right-out from Nifong with a little access come

in from Bethel. And again, the circulation pattern that will allow them to go out east all

the way to the roundabout, and then to Nova Way and over to Shakespeare's if they

wanted to from there without getting back on Nifong. Oh, I went the wrong way. Okay.

There we go. So also in terms of circulation, this also well accommodates pedestrians

and bicycles, so I've highlighted in gray. There's the existing pedway and sidewalks on

Bethel and Nifong. There will be a sidewalk also added to the private drive, so you've got

circulation in, kind of a -- the entry -- main entry points is going to be on the south side of

the building, but you've got access from that sidewalk into -- into the building. And we

also have some sidewalk connection from Nifong directly into the building, as well, and

this will allow, you know, good circulations from, you know, all -- you know, all modes of

transportation. Again, this was -- there was a traffic study done on this. As of right now,

with this bank, you know, we're talking about peak hour generation, about 270 vehicles.

The whole traffic study had anticipated nearly 1,200 vehicles, so we're well under the

anticipated. I did want to highlight, you know, in that study, there was a pharmacy

assumed at this corner. This bank replaces that, pretty similar traffic generation, maybe

a tad bit more overall. Again, this -- the drive-through is well positioned, so it's, you

know, directing any speakers away from the residential. That -- you know, lighting will

comply. We'll comply to all the other UDC standards, you know, as mentioned in the

discussion. In terms of the surrounding conditions, this is nothing unusual for the area.

I've highlighted here all of the different businesses that have drive-throughs along this

corridor. And you can see Central Bank all the way to the left side of the picture,

Walgreen's Pharmacy, Hawthorn Bank, you know, coming all the way across to the other

banks, Seven Brew, Scooter's, you know, there's multiple drive-throughs along the area,

pretty consistent to that character of it, and, you know, being an arterial corridor. And

even for the Comprehensive Plan, we're conforming with that. Ultimately, this is an infill

site, you know. We're not going and reaching outside and sprawling. We've got -- we've

got all the existing infrastructure needed to develop this site. You don’t need new

services for that. It's -- you know, there's no environmental concerns, there's no trees,

sensitive areas we need to be concerned about. It's a walkable area, it's bikeable.

Again, we've got this frontage on a pedway, and we're going to have the street trees, as

well, again to help them encourage the pedestrian use along the area. You know, again,

in summary, it's kind of hitting the same -- same items that the City had, you know.

We've got the adequate infrastructure, good circulation, safe access. The drive-through is

separated from the rest of the parking, and we positioned the drive-through such that it's,

you know, not going to be an adverse impact to the neighbors. Not impacting the

residential, R-1, R-2 districts, you know, and, you know, conforming the character of the

area, and really no negative impacts to the circulation of the traffic on Nifong, Bethel, and,

you know, all the stacking is going to be off the main streets here, so with that, I would

be happy to answer any questions you may have.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Are there any questions of this speaker? Seeing

none. Thank you very much for being here.

MR. KRIETE: Thank you.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Anyone else to speak on this case, please come forward.

Seeing none. We will close public comment.

PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED

MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner comment. Any Commissioner comments on

this case. Commissioner -- Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: If my colleagues have no further questions or comments, I would

entertain a motion, Madam Chair.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Please do.

MR. STANTON: As it relates to Case 288-2025, 310 West Nifong Boulevard,

conditional use permit, I move to approve the requested CUP for a banking center

drive-through facility in the M-N zoning district.

DR. GRAY: Second.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Motion made by Commissioner Stanton,

seconded by Commissioner Gray. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none.

Commissioner Brodsky, may we have a roll call?

MR. BRODSKY: Yes, you may.

Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes" is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.

Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Mr. Stanton, Ms. Stockton, Mr. Brodsky. The

motion carries 6-0.

MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. That recommendation will be forwarded to

City Council. Our next case for the evening:

Move to approve the requested CUP for a banking center drive-through facility in

the M-N zoning district.

6 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Brodsky, Gray, Stockton and Darr

3 - Wilson, Walters and Ortiz

Yes:

Excused:

Case # 290-2025

A request by Ken Germond (agent), on behalf of Germond-Eggener Family

Trust (owners), to allow 1506 Windsor Street to be used as a short-term

rental for a maximum of 4 transient guests and up to 210-nights annually

pursuant to Sec. 29-3.3(vv) and Sec. 29-6.4(m)(2) of the Unified

Development Code. The 2-bedroom, 1-bath home will have to install a

driveway accessing Windsor Street to accommodate the required 2

UDC-compliant on-site/off-street parking spaces if this request is

approved. The 0.17-acre subject site is located approximately 125-feet

east of the intersection of Ripley Street and Windsor Street.

MS. GEUEA JONES: May we please have a staff report?

Staff report was given by Mr. Kirtis Orendorff of the Planning and Development

Department. Staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit to allow the

dwelling at 1506 Windsor Street to be operated as a STR subject to:

1. The maximum occupancy of four transient guests;

2. A maximum of 210 nights of annual rental usage;

3. The construction of a driveway/parking pad on-site accommodating two

parking spaces prior to the issuance of a STR Certificate of Compliance or

Business License.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Before we go to questions for staff, if any of my

fellow Commissioners have had contact with parties to this case outside of the public

hearing, please disclose so now. Seeing none. Are there any questions for staff?

Seeing none. We will go to public comment.

PUBLIC HEARING OPENED

MS. GEUEA JONES: If any member of the public would like to speak on this case,

please come forward. Seeing none. Is the applicant here? Yeah. Let me just see if we

have -- if you don't mind.

MR. GERMOND: Yeah. I’m Ken Germond -- (Inaudible) -- and I live at --

MS. GEUEA JONES: Can you say it into the mic? I apologize.

MR. GERMOND: Yeah. I'm Ken Germond, 1504 Windsor. I’m the applicant. I live

next door to the 1506 property.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. I just wanted to give the Commissioners a chance

to ask you any questions if anyone had any. Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: It's detrimental [sic] that you showed your face. That's why we're --

I'm glad you came up.

MR. GERMOND: Thank you.

MR. STANTON: That tips the scale quite often. Okay.

MR. GERMOND: Thanks.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you for being here tonight. Any other questions for Mr.

Germond? No. Thank you very much. Oh, sorry. Did you --

MR. BRODSKY: It's -- since you're here, I'm just curious where you're going to put

the parking?

MR. GERMOND: Well, it's an open question. The -- in the picture there -- so the

property like is not clear. Like, I've seen a plat several years ago that kind of showed the

property line between the two tracts of James Davis' driveway there. But even the County

doesn't have the plats. I don't know where exactly I saw that, but -- and then I have

another data point where a survey was done a year or so ago, I think. And they said that

in the back of the property, the property line is consistent with the fence. So I don't know

that I have access to that shared driveway. And it was kind of the initial hope was they

could share that driveway and have a pad just to the -- what would be the east of the

house where that kind of -- where the bush is would be Option 1, kind of what I was

hoping, or we would have to put it basically in the front yard on the left-hand side of the

pathway there. The water meter is in that stone structure there on the left.

MR. BRODSKY: Thank you. It doesn't really affect anything. Just curious.

MR. GERMOND: Okay. Good. Thanks.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you very much for being here tonight. All right. Any

other members of the public to speak? Seeing none. We will close public hearing.

PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED

MS. GEUEA JONES: We will close public comment, and go to Commissioner

comment. Any Commissioner comments on this case? Seeing none. Oh,

Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: Well, Madam Chair, if my colleagues have no further comment

relating to this case, I would like to entertain a motion.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Please.

MR. STANTON: As it relates to Case 290-2025, I move to approve the requested

STR CUP subject to the following: Maximum occupancy of four transient guests;

maximum of 210 nights annual rental usage; and the construction of a driveway parking

pad on site accommodating two parking spaces prior to issuance of an STR Certificate of

Compliance or Business License.

DR. GRAY: Second.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Moved by Commissioner Stanton; seconded by

Commissioner Gray. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none.

Commissioner Brodsky, may we have a roll call?

Roll Call Vote (Voting "yes": is to recommend approval.) Voting Yes: Mr.

Darr, Ms. Geuea Jones, Dr. Gray, Mr. Stanton, Ms. Stockton, Mr. Brodsky. The

motion carries 6-0.

MR. BRODSKY: The motion carries.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. That recommendation will be forwarded to City

Council. That concludes our business for the evening.

Move to approve the requested STR CUP subject to the following: Maximum

occupancy of four transient guests; maximum of 210 nights annual rental usage;

and the construction of a driveway parking pad on site accommodating two

parking spaces prior to issuance of an STR Certificate of Compliance or Business

License.

6 - Stanton, Geuea Jones, Brodsky, Gray, Stockton and Darr

3 - Wilson, Walters and Ortiz

Yes:

Excused:

VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS

MS. GEUEA JONES: If there are any comments from the public of a general nature,

please come forward. Mr. Gebhardt, you know the drill.

MR. GEBHARDT: Good evening. My name is Jay Gebhardt, civil engineer with A

Civil Group. But I'm actually just here for myself tonight. And I apologize, you've got an

early night and I'm keeping, you, so I'll -- but I've got three things that I'd like to discuss

briefly. The first being -- and I haven't talk to Pat about any of this, so -- but I do want to

talk about Pat in that he is one of the hardest working City employees there are, and I -- I

can't tell you how much I appreciate all that he does. And I, by no means, want you to

take what I'm saying as a criticism of Pat in that, because he works very, very hard at his

job, and I appreciate everything he does. He helps me a lot. The first thing is is this

small lot integration into the R-1 zoning. I know in just coming to the work sessions, I've

listened and I've heard the process, but -- and I understand the reasoning for why it's

being done the way it is. But from a guy looking from the outside in, who stares at the

Code every day, and tries to apply it and explain it to clients and things, it would be

helpful, I think, not to get this at the end. And then you guys are already vested in your --

your decisions at that point kind of because you've been working on this for 18 months

and you've been thinking about things, and for us to come in and, you know, I don't know

how long we will have to make comments, but most of us are pretty busy, you know,

working 60, 70 hour weeks, and it's just hard to -- you know, I've made this a -- kind of a

purpose of mine to try to help. So -- and I don't have a solution. And it's -- you guys are

way into this, and I'm not trying to just upset the apple cart in any way on that. It's just

there's a lot of things here, and Pat is really good, and he's actually really good at seeing

the perspective of a developer, but he just doesn't do what I do. And so there's -- I think

there's things that I could help with, and I don't know if you guys do this -- something like

this again that you bring in a consultant to sit through your work sessions and be there to

answer questions, or offer opinions, not -- not necessarily to -- I mean, we're not

appointed by the -- wouldn't be appointed by the Council necessarily, or anything like

that. It would be just there is more of a consulting role just to provide perspective to what

you're talking about, because the work sessions, the way that they're structured, and

even though I come and I listen, I can't say anything. And it's -- and then by tomorrow, I'll

have forgotten everything. And then the third thing is, in general, the -- the UDC in

general. It's a -- almost -- we're going on nine years; right, Pat? It will be nine years in

March. And, you know, the planning staff is very short staffed in far as I'm concerned and

being able to address changes. And I think there's a lot of things that even the City staff

has that they would like to see changed, and there's just no time for them to put that

together. And don't know what the solution to that is, but I really do think after eight, nine

years, it's time to revisit that document. There's some really good things about it.

There's some things that could be better. And -- you know, and I have a vested interest

in this and, you know, like I say, I use it every day, but it's something that I wanted to

bring to your attention and because it was a short meeting tonight, I thought, well, this is

a good time to do that. And, again, I just -- I don't want anyone to think that I'm criticizing

the -- what's going on, it's just I want to try to be helpful and try to provide information, if I

can, in any way that you guys see fit and think is appropriate. So that's really all I had.

MS. GEUEA JONES: If I may, I will say that at least for the short term -- or not short

term -- for the small lots, we are viewing this, at least in my mind, and I think in staff's

mind, this is the halfway point when we give it to City staff and to the larger community,

expecting the developers to get it, break it, and then give it back to us --

MR. GEBHARDT: Okay.

MS. GEUEA JONES: -- before we get to a final version, because we want to see,

among other things, visualizations of what would you do if you had this. So we get an

idea of what it looks like. So I think we're at the halfway point, not the end.

MR. GEBHARDT: So we’ll get 18 months?

MS. GEUEA JONES: A couple of months.

MR. GEBHARDT: All right. I'm --

MS. GEUEA JONES: But I -- I don't think that you're going to be handed a final

product so much as a first draft is what I'm saying.

MR. GEBHARDT: I get that. It's just like even tonight when you guys were talking

about streets, I mean, the guys that sit there and design streets all day long, they have a

lot of ideas of things, but they're boxed by the Code. And, you know, being able to get

them involved in having the ability to have unique designs for unique situations that fit, you

know, instead of the standard 28-foot street and a 50-foot right-of-way type of thing.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah.

MR. GEBHARDT: And it's interesting I was -- it was -- I learned something

tonight. I was telling David when he was talking to me, it's the -- the Code in the

appendix A, Pat. I think it's paragraph six, it talks about this being for predominantly new

development and doesn't apply basically to -- do you know what I'm talking about? Okay.

And that -- that's just something I never really even seen and really thought about before

until tonight, and it just happened to be up on the screen. But if that was actually applied

where you don't have to come in and get a design adjustment, like I was talking a few

weeks ago, I had a project, it was a little survey on Meadow Lane, and we were asking for

design adjustments. We had an existing street that was 16 feet wide, and a 20-foot

right-of-way, and we were being asked to dedicate right-of-way, and maybe I didn't need

to do that because it's already in the appendix. It just says that I don't have to do that if -

- because I'm not doing new development, and it's just moving a line on a plat and

creating two legal lots. So, anyway, I just bring that up --

MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah.

MR. GEBHARDT: -- that these things, as you know, if you use the Code very

much, you realize you fix one thing and then you realize you've got about two other things

that happened unintentionally and -- and it's just -- it gets really complicated pretty

quick. And so to have a couple of months to review that really is just kind of the

beginning of a discussion because there's so many things that it affects. It touches -- it's

a spider-web type thing. It just touches so many things when you go and change one

thing. So --

MS. GEUEA JONES: Commissioner Stanton?

MR. STANTON: How are you doing, sir?

MR. GEBHARDT: Yeah.

MR. STANTON: So I'm -- I'm glad you came up and you discussed this. So I want

you to put Pat's hat on, and he's going to give the development community this. You just

brought up a good point about kind of taking the gloves off of the development community

and letting them be innovative and thinking out of the box relating to that. How would you

do that? How would you get into -- you're Pat. How do we go to the next phase, to the

community -- to the development community?

MR. GEBHARDT: Well, one thing, I'm glad I don't have Pat's job, so -- but tell me or

answering, I just don't have a good a good answer for you. I wish I did. You know, I -- I

spend a lot of time doing layouts and thinking about development and how things should

work together, and I find myself bound by the Code many times. And, you know, we've

got away from the planned districts, but in the planned districts, I was free to -- to

suggest things and do things differently. And now there's a process and I've got to get a

design adjustment and -- and sometimes, you know, clients just don't want to do a

design adjustment even though they like the idea, just because it introduces the

uncertainty of getting what they're asking for approved. So there's -- there's a lot of things

like that involved in it. So -- but, you know, talking about utility easements tonight, and

Pat had the idea of running it on the property line, well, the utility company is probably

not going to like that because, you know, like, electric utility says they have to have

everything within 15 feet of pavement or they -- you know, they won't approve it. So, you

know, they've got to be able to work off pavement, so they would much rather tear up

concrete than tear up someone's yard, and they get their vehicles stuck and things like

that trying to fix something in a rainstorm, you know, in the middle of the night, so -- but

that's just example after example after example of things that can affect us. And to --

you know, how do you involve us? Maybe, you know, I was -- I came tonight and I kind of

changed what I was going to say just because I was listening to Pat, and he's saying,

you know, we're going to give it to them to see if they can -- you know, what doesn't work

and make suggestions, and I think that's good. But there has to be more back and forth

than that, and then it's not just a -- like here, Jay, write up your comments and we'll take

them into consideration type thing because it's almost a discussion rather than a -- you

know, just here -- here's my comments. And one of them, you know, it's -- the guys that

I know that do this are all super busy. And so to carve out time to do this is a big

commitment to do, so, you know, whether you're talking about Tim Crockett or myself,

I'm sure Tim would agree with me, it's just -- it's important enough that we're willing to do

it, but we've got to be able to feel like we're -- what we've got, you know, our comments

and stuff are being incorporated into it. And right now, it just feels -- you know, the way

the work sessions are set up, it just feels like, you know, even if you participate, you're

not -- can't participate, and so that’s -- that’s just how I feel. So let you get home. That's

MS. GEUEA JONES: We appreciate that. Sorry. Cody has something for you.

Commissioner Darr?

MR. DARR: It's a little tricky, I think, because you're wanting to -- and I think it all

comes down to the amount of staff and time and resources we have, which is not very

much, is you want input -- we want more input from the development community in some

says, and, you know, 18 months is what we get and you want 18 months. And now

we've got -- lengthened the process a whole long time, but we're also wanting to -- and

Pat has mentioned this many times, you know. He's got a list of things in the UDC he

wants to address. You know, we're taking it step by step. Right now, it's the small lots,

and he's got a list of things that he will be addressing. So if we lengthen this small lot

process, well, it's even longer before we get to the next thing that we need to change, so

we almost need to compress it to get to more things as opposed to lengthening the

process.

MR. GEBHARDT: And I agree, Cody, 100 percent, and it's just -- it's just the way it's

being done, you know. We're going to come in and throw darts at the end at this instead

of being able -- being part of it from the beginning. And if we were part of it from the

beginning, then maybe it wouldn't take so long to do. We wouldn’t end up with so much

back and forth.

MS. GEUEA JONES: And just --

MR. GEBHARDT: But -- but it is very much constrained but -- this man's staff and

what they can actually, you know, accomplish. And so --

MS. GEUEA JONES: One last thing that I will say is 18 months, it's not like we

were spending 18 months every two weeks. I mean -- and I get it. I just -- since we're

being transcribed, I just want to point out for those who haven't been watching the

process as closely, this hasn't been the only thing we've been doing for 18 months.

MR. GEBHARDT; I get it. Yeah.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah.

MR. GEBHARDT: But, no. It does -- we do need to go faster, a 100 percent.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Yeah.

MR. GEBHARDT: And I -- I'm -- I guess what I'm saying tonight is, is I'm willing to

help if I can help, and I'm not here to criticize or put down what's being done. It's -- I'm

just trying to make it better if I can, so -

MS. GEUEA JONES: We appreciate the offer. Any final questions?

MR. GEBHARDT: All right. Thank you.

MS. GEUEA JONES: Thank you. Any other members of the public to speak

tonight? Seeing none.

VIII. STAFF COMMENTS

MS. GEUEA JONES: Staff comments, Mr. Zenner.

MR. ZENNER: Thank you very much for the comments, Mr. Gebhardt. We'll

talk and see what we can do to incorporate those that need to participate in this process.

That is our intent. And the intent is to have dialogue, it's not to just accept comments

and then, basically, thank them and then don't do anything with them. This process

requires the ability for those that are actually interacting on the day-to-day side to be able

to find use out of what we've spent our time discussing. The last thing I want to see

happen is is a set of regulations adopted that sit and don't get used. So we -- we will

have to cross that bridge, and it'll be a task that we will have to figure out how do we --

how do we make progress. So your next meeting is October 9th, and we have a number

of items on the agenda. And unfortunately, what occupies a lot of our time is what will

occupy a lot of this agenda space on the 9th. You'll notice that there is only one item out

of this entire agenda of nine items, there's actually a rezoning request. These are all

short-term rental applications that aren't within 300 feet of another short-term rental,

however, they are not owner-occupied dwelling units, and if they are owner-occupied

dwelling units, they are seeking more than 210 nights -- or more than 120 nights of rental.

So these are all of the short-term rental applications. There are eight short-term rental

applications, and then there are -- there is one rezoning application from Ag to IG. That

is a parcel that is adjoining and just to the northeast of what was at the corner or is at the

corner of U.S. Highway 63 and Paris Road that was rezoned for the purposes of an RV

park, a commercial zoning designation. This is the property that is to the northeast of

that. So we'll unpack that request of why we need IG in this particular location. It does

have frontage along the Paris Road corridor, so that may be a little bit of the explanation

for the IG designation. And the rest of this is pretty standard fare for what we are

spending a tremendous amount of our time on as a staff. So you have familiarity with the

parcels we're talking about, the first two slides on the left of this graphic are short-term

rentals, one on Southwest Boulevard, one on St. Michael Street. The A to IG parcel

there that is just off the interchange of U.S. 63 and Paris Road, east Ash Street, and

North Ninth, and then South Old Highway 63 in an apartment complex, and then our final

short-term rental request off of 4216 Forum Boulevard down on the south end of town, just

south of Nifong Boulevard. Those are your nine items for the October 9th agenda. The

October 20th [sic] agenda at this point has not nearly that many items on it, but if I'm not

incorrect, they are -- we will have the October 23rd agenda will have our tabled item for a

final plat, and that design adjustment, and then I believe the remaining items on that

agenda, which are two or three, are short-term rental requests, as well. Volume on

concept reviews for actual development, I can tell you that that volume is still robust. We

are still conducting concept reviews on things that aren't short-term rentals, so we will

hopefully over our winter months be able to see some things that are coming in. We are

also, of course, exploring areas of where we are looking at planned zoning districts that

are seeking to be moved out of planned zone. So we are continuing to -- continue to see

requests for that type of activity, as well. As many of you may not be aware, my senior

planner, Mariam, has -- she resigned her position in mid-August, so we will -- we are

down a senior planner at this point. Mr. Smith will begin his tenure with the City of

Columbia for the second tour at the end of this month as our new director. So at this

juncture right now, we are in a -- in a moment of transition Now that moment of transition

is having an impact as it relates to moving on to our next major initiative, which is the

City's Comprehensive Plan. I would also like to inform you that the short-term rental

regulation amendment, which I did indicate was intended to go forward on the October 6th

agenda with the City Council first reading, is not being introduced. It will be being held

until such time as we are able to have a work session with the City Council to describe

the purposes and the intent of that regulatory amendment. We appreciate the

correspondence that the Commission has produced that has been provided, however, it

was a management decision to hold that off. So we will continue to be processing

short-term rental requests as we have them through the Commission until such time as

there is some resolution to that amendment. The short-term rental contact for our vendor

services, however, will likely be being introduced at the second meeting in October for

Council such that we can hopefully secure those services before the end of this calendar

year to assist. And so the public understands that may be interested or follows us on

television, compliance with the short-term rental regulations began June 1 of this year --

full compliance. We have sent two rounds of notices out to all -- to generally a list of

about 293 operators that we are aware of that are operating short-term rentals within the

City of Columbia, or have previously had them posted on a listing platform. We are

beginning the process of prosecution at this point. So we strongly encourage those that

are still not licensed to please avail yourself of this process to avoid the process of having

to go through and being cited and being prosecuted with the municipal court. While our

staff will work with you to ensure that we can get you through the regulatory process is

easily as possible, but we are beginning the process now of enforcing after two notices

being sent. And if you have not responded after receiving those notices, you are most

likely going to receive a -- a notice of a court hearing date in the near future. With that, I

appreciate your attention this evening. As I indicated during work session, we will hold

our annual elections for Planning and Zoning Commission officers at our first meeting in

October, and we will be looking at, hopefully, wrapping up the technical component of our

evaluation of the UDC at this point, so I could start to bring you back the text changes

that are specific to Article 5, and Appendix A. With that, that is all we have to offer.

Thank you very much.