City of Columbia, Missouri  
Meeting Minutes  
Finance Advisory and Audit Committee  
Conference Rooms  
1A/1B  
Monday, October 21, 2024  
1:00 PM  
Columbia - City Hall  
701 E. Broadway  
I. CALL TO ORDER  
Attending from the Finance Department was Matthew Lue, Jim McDonald,  
Andrea Greer, Ashley Wilson, Meganne Montesinos, Amanda Kent, Danielle  
Abels and Shane Edwards. Also in attendance were Columbia residents Jim  
Windsor and John Conway, Mike Murphy of Como Buzz and Sarah Sprintzer of  
the Missourian.  
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Present:  
Kristian Bloom, Maria Oropallo, Thomas Richards, Karilee Gruenberg, Randy  
Minchew and Brian Toohey  
II. INTRODUCTIONS  
III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
Mr. Richards made a motion to approve the agenda; Mr. Minchew seconded the  
motion and it was approved unanimously.  
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES  
Mr. Minchew made a motion to approve the minutes as presented; Mr. Toohey  
seconded the motion and it was approved unanimously.  
V. OLD BUSINESS  
FAAC Structure/Mandate Review  
No discussion.  
Finance Ordinance Review  
McDonald reported the Purchasing Ordinance is still in Law department for review.  
City Council Agenda Review  
Lue reported that Finance has only the Monthly report on that night's City Council  
agenda. He added the report includes Cash Balance Report, and Cash Position of the  
city. Oropallo asked if these reports includes utilities. Lue responded that it did include  
utilities.  
VI. NEW BUSINESS  
Budget Communications  
Lue described new initiatives to increase the discussions around the budget. He identified  
some misunderstanding with the budget this year. He added a preventative idea about  
adding town hall meetings this year in December, and again before the budget process  
before next year's budget  
Greer added some examples of how information could be better presented, especially  
around "deficit spending", which she stressed the City does not do.  
Lue reiterated that the city is not deficit spending, and that the issue was in the  
differences between CIP and Operating Budget. Lue and Greer seek to strive for  
something digestible to the public.  
Richards asked how to best communicate FTE (full time equivalent positions), and  
identifying what and how many positions are filled, and what and how many positions are  
vacant. Lue said the Budget Policy calls for clarifying what is internal and what is  
external.  
Greer spoke to the "Budget in Brief" document that was sent to the public last fall, and  
the City will send it again.  
Toohey asked if the budget is posted on BeHeard. Greer responded that it was .  
Police and Fire Pension  
McDonald shared a Pre-Council presentation.  
FAAC discussed elements of the presentation, including:  
1) Pension is $50M of the budget  
2) Police and Fire have a defined Benefit Pension which is based on time and service and  
highest average salary. There are also features for surviving spouse, disability  
3) There are 179 Fire which gets $9M a year  
and 198 Police which gets $7M  
4) The pool continues to rise, paid pensioners is going to be $15M in 2024  
5) Other details included that Fire personnel, hired before 2012, had a generous plan, but  
they receive no Social Security benefits  
Further, staff discussed liability costs for how much the city would have to pay out to  
employees currently in the plan and how much to pay out for current employees. This  
discussion includes bringing P&F to LAGERS.  
Richards offered details of LAGERS which is a $10B enterprise, is state run and opined  
that this move would eventually get the city out of the pension business.  
McDonald pointed out the highlights in the Actuarial Report, which is included in the  
Pre-Council presentation  
Revenue Discussion  
Lue described an initiative to look at different revenue sources, what it may look like in  
the next fiscal year, help with month-to-month forecasting. He said in November or early  
Dececember discussing with this with City Council in a worksession. He added this may  
involve some deep conversations on Public Safety pensions, with a possible move to  
Lagers.  
Citizens Summit  
Oropallo stated this item will be kept on Old Business for future meetings.  
Lue described the Summit as a way to get more public involvement. It is currently  
scheduled for March 15, 2025, in City Hall. The goal is to get good information out there,  
including Social services, normal day-to-day operations  
Oropallo asked if utilities would be included, Lue responded yes.  
Internal Audit  
Lue reported the status of Internal Audits, including a recap of all previous audits done in  
the last four years will help determine what new audits might be suggested  
.
Oropallo asked if Rubin Brown LLC was still under contract with the City. Lue said yes.  
CPAs Answer Questions about City Budget  
Mr. Lue exited the meeting at 2:12 pm.  
Minchew said he spoke with Lue about this idea since people say they want more  
transparency. He added that even though the budget and reports are all available, people  
want more understanding. He suggested having trusted people from private organizations  
sit with Lue, do a question and answer to help make it understandable. Minchew added  
that having an outside endorsement by people in the industry and getting the info into the  
hands of people not part of the City.  
Staff Response to calls for a State Audit  
Mr. Conway exited the meeting at 2:22 pm.  
There was some discussion, but no action taken on whether the FAAC should have a role  
in supporting the call for an audit, or support John Conway's request for responses.  
Monthly Economic Report  
Ms. Gruenberg exited the meeting at 2:33 pm.  
Shane reported that unemployment is going down again, inflation is flat, but may start to  
go up now that unemployment is going down. He added the Use Tax has seen a big  
result, but this was somewhat due to some businesses pay the State on a quarterly  
basis and others pay monthly. Dollar amount was one of the highest the City has  
received in a while.  
The Summary of the Monthly Economic Report:  
• In September, the national headline increased to 3.31% while core inflation decreased  
to 2.44%, compared to 3.20% and 2.53% in August.  
• However, overall headline inflation among Midwestern cities with a population of less  
than 2.5 million in September 2024 remained stable at 2.10% from 2.11% in August,  
while core inflation (excluding food and energy) increased to 2.96%, compared to 2.66%  
last month.  
• Housing inflation among Midwestern cities remained high at 4.69% in September 2024,  
higher than August’s 4.63%, and Columbia is not the exception. This is mainly due to the  
seasonal nature of the housing/rental market.  
• The unemployment rate in Columbia decreased by 0.69 percentage points in August to  
3.24%, compared to 3.93% in July 2024. Missouri's unemployment rate followed a similar  
pattern and decreased by 0.72 percentage points in August to 3.87%, compared to  
4.59% in July 2024. Akin to local and state, the national unemployment rate slightly  
decreased by 0.03 percentage points during this time, from 4.25% to 4.22%.  
• Following a similar trend, in September 2024, the national unemployment rate fell to  
4.05%, around seventeen percentage points.  
• The Federal Reserve decided to reduce the interest rate from 5.25 - 5.50% to 4.75 -  
5.00% by 50 basis points (bp), or 0.5%. This is the first time the Federal Reserve has cut  
interest rates since March 2020.  
• The median home price in Boone County is higher than that of the state of Missouri by  
around $57,600. In August 2024, the median home price in Boone County increased by  
2.85%, while the average price increased by 5.25%.  
• Sales tax collections in October (August tax period) totaled around $5.18 million, while  
Use tax collections came to about $1,235,893, 7.83%, and 52.51% higher than last year  
in October. The August 2024 Use tax collections are equivalent to 23.86% of the total  
Sales tax collections, which is the highest share in FY 24. This could be due to  
increased consumer spending - as the universities and public-school districts in Columbia  
are back in session.  
• In October (August tax period), marijuana-related excise tax collection was $62,269,  
around $1,000 more than the previous month  
2124VII. GENERAL COMMENTS BY PUBLIC, MEMBERS AND STAFF  
Jim Windsor presented his analysis of the problems with how the PILOT is calculated. He  
pointed out his opinion the current process is in violation of City Charter, specifically the  
amount of tax that is being charged to Water Utility.  
He said the City should only be charging the Columbia tax rate, not Boone tax rate. He  
requested the FAAC asks CIty Council to stop doing what they are doing. He suggested  
a review from the Law Dept may be in order. He said Director of Utilities, Dave Sorrell  
would be presenting a report that evening's City Council meeting.  
Oropallo suggested the Utilities report would be added to the next FAAC meeting  
Richards, who identified himself as a member of the CPS Finance Committee asked how  
the city gets to keep that entire payment.  
Oropallo asked if the Law Dept has expressed an opinion.  
VIII. NEXT MEETING DATE  
November 18, 2024  
IX. ADJOURNMENT  
Mr. Minchew made a motion to adjourn the meeting; Mr. Bloom seconded the  
motion and it was approved unanimously.