City of Columbia, Missouri  
Meeting Minutes  
City Council  
Council Chamber  
Columbia City Hall  
701 E. Broadway  
Monday, November 15, 2021  
7:00 PM  
Regular  
I. INTRODUCTORY ITEMS  
The City Council of the City of Columbia, Missouri met for a regular  
meeting at approximately 7:08 p.m. on Monday, November 15, 2021, in the  
Council Chamber of the City of Columbia, Missouri.  
The Pledge of  
Allegiance was recited, and the roll was taken with the following results:  
Council Member IAN THOMAS, Council Member MATT PITZER, Council  
Member BETSY PETERS, Mayor BRIAN TREECE, Council Member PAT  
FOWLER, Council Member ANDREA WANER, and Council Member  
KARL SKALA were present. City Manager John Glascock, City Counselor  
Nancy Thompson, City Clerk Sheela Amin, and various Department Heads  
and Staff Members were also present.  
Mayor Treece explained the minutes were not yet complete for the July 19,  
August 16, September 7, September 20, October 4, October 18, and the  
November 1 regular meetings.  
Council Member Fowler asked that B361-21 be moved from the consent  
agenda to old business.  
The agenda, including the consent agenda with B361-21 being moved to  
old business, was approved unanimously by voice vote on a motion by  
Mayor Treece and a second by Council Member Skala.  
II. SPECIAL ITEMS  
None.  
III. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS  
BC11-21  
Board and Commission Applicants.  
Upon receiving the majority vote of the Council, the following individuals  
were appointed to the following Boards and Commissions.  
AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD  
Hunter, BJ, 4310 Montpelier Place, Ward 5, Term to expire December 1,  
2024  
Poses, Jon, 224 E. Parkway Drive, Ward 4, Term to expire December 1,  
2024  
CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW BOARD  
Hamilton, Jordan, 1314 White Oak Lane, Apt. 103, Ward 4, Term to expire  
November 1, 2022  
CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION  
Becherer, Roni, 103 N. Stadium Boulevard, Apt. 114, Ward 1, Term to  
expire November 30, 2024  
Kaufmann, Ryan, 1908 Park DeVille Place, Ward 1, Term to expire  
November 30, 2024  
Ludden, Matthew, 1905 Newton Drive, Ward 2, Term to expire November  
30, 2024  
Navarrete-Tindell, Nadia, 2116 Grant Lane, Ward 4, Term to expire  
November 30, 2024  
Norris, Jessica, 2413 Cimarron Drive, Ward 5, Term to expire November  
30, 2024  
COLUMBIA SPORTS COMMISSION  
Kunz, Kristopher, 417 Hillsdale Road, Ward 3, Term to expire December  
31, 2022  
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST ORGANIZATION BOARD  
Rhoades, Shirley, 104 Lynn Street, Ward 1, Term to expire December 1,  
2025  
Trotter, Jeremy, 1108 Rear Coats Street, Ward 1, Term to expire  
December 1, 2025  
FOWLER:  
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think we need to confirm my continuation as the liaison member. We  
could do this -- I don’t know when the right time is but I was advised by the Clerk.  
TREECE: It’s timely.  
FOWLER: Okay.  
TREECE: Does anybody else desire to serve as the liaison?  
PETERS: I’d be interested in it.  
TREECE: You would be? How would you all like to settle this?  
PETERS: Rock, paper, scissors.  
TREECE: I would like to have more liaison. I’m not sure who -- I don’t care who it is. I  
just -- I would like for Council to take a more active role in the Land Trust or at least  
know what’s going on there or at least have our liaison there have the consensus of  
council for -- I’d just -- I’d like for that communication to be a little more bilateral as  
we continue to address what is, by all means,  
a housing crisis. We’ve got a lot of  
HOME CDBG monies coming in. Do you all want to work it out and come back to us?  
PETERS: Well, I’ll work on something else this year, and leave it to Ms. Fowler if she  
wants to keeps doing that, and maybe I’ll come back to it next year if she’s ready to  
[inaudible].  
TREECE: Is everyone okay with that?  
[Everyone seemed agreeable.]  
It was determined Council Member Fowler would continue to be the staff  
liaison to the Community Land Trust Organization Board.  
CONVENTION AND VISITORS ADVISORY BOARD  
Walls, Richard, 4705 Valhala Court, Ward 5, Term to expire September  
30, 2023  
HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION  
Teagarden-Monk, Alexandria, 2208 Bluff Pointe Drive, Ward 6, Term to  
expire December 31, 2023  
MAYOR’S COUNCIL ON PHYSICAL FITNESS AND HEALTH  
Hawf, Christopher, 1104 Hulen Drive, Ward 4, Term to expire November  
30, 2024  
Miller, Susan, 412 Maplewood Drive, Ward 4, Term to expire November  
30, 2024  
PERSONNEL ADVISORY BOARD  
Barth, Jennifer, 2803 Pine Tree Lane, Ward 5, Term to expire November  
30, 2024  
IV. SCHEDULED PUBLIC COMMENT  
SPC65-21  
Bill and Judy Weitkemper - Master Meters or Individual Meters.  
Judy Weitkemper spoke.  
WEITKEMPER:  
and live at 4007 Day Flower Court in Columbia, and  
important matter on behalf of my husband Bill who has difficulty speaking due to  
Parkinson’s. Bill has devoted good portion of the past 16 years to this matter.  
Mayor and Council, my name is Judy Weitkemper. My husband Bill  
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Master metering should be prohibited. Master metering of residential dwelling  
units for electric service was prohibited by section 27-111 of the City Code for 52  
years, from 1964 until December 7, 2015. Section 27-111 stated, “each residential  
dwelling unit must have  
the residential dwelling unit shall be measured for billing by the department.  
Metering of electricity supplying more than one residential dwelling unit through  
a
separate meter through which the electricity supplied  
a
single meter for billing by the department (master metering) is prohibited.” On  
December 7, 2015, Section 27-111 was amended by adding the following text,  
“except in plan zoning districts where in the sole discretion of the director, master  
metering is in the best interest of the city due to the utilization of the planned  
development of alternative power sources which are incompatible with single  
metering.” On January 16, 2016, Jim Windsor, Assistant Director of Columbia  
Utilities, wrote -- buildings can have three-phase electrical service which would  
support residential units. These have been allowed for commercially zoned areas  
for over 40 years.  
Code as building or portion thereof with kitchen facilities designated or used for  
residential occupancy, including but not limited to such units when [inaudible] or  
A residential dwelling unit is defined by Section 27-36 of the City  
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part of one-family, two-family, and multi-family dwellings, boarding and lodging  
houses, apartment houses and apartment hotels, but not hotels or motels except  
where the units are occupied by the same individual or group of individuals for 30  
days or more. Bill has not been able to find the definition of  
a commercial dwelling  
unit in the City Code. The electric utility was wrong to conclude that  
dwelling unit constructed on property zoned commercial becomes  
a
residential  
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commercial  
dwelling unit. On August 8, 2017, Section 27-111 was amended yet again by  
replacing the text that was added in 2015 with the following text, “except where in  
the sole discretion of the director, master metering is in the best interest of the city  
due to the utilization of alternative power sources which are incompatible with  
single metering.” Ordinance 27-111 should not have been amended in 2015 or 2017.  
Master metering is not in the best interest of the City. In addition to the increase in  
electric, water, and sewer revenue that individual meters would bring the City, it  
has long been established that by replacing master meters with individual or  
submeters,  
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building utilities usage can be reduced by 15-25 percent. This is just  
one example of many where the City ordinances have been manipulated, changed,  
or simply ignored to make someone wealthier through the inequitable treatment  
of many. Every customer of the City should be treated fairly. Every customer should  
have an equal opportunity to take advantage of the savings that could result if they  
were individually metered. Who will step up to address this inequity? My husband  
will leave  
a few copies of the final draft of his document titled Master Meters or  
Individual Meters that explains in detail why master meters should be prohibited  
on the table in the back by the room, or contact him and he will send you a copy.  
Thank you.  
SPC66-21  
Julie Ryan, COMO Safe Water Coalition - Columbia's Water Treatment  
Plant: A study in complacent and ineffective leadership.  
Julie Ryan spoke.  
RYAN: Julie Ryan, COMO Safe Water Coalition, 5301 Regal Way.  
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want to speak  
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little bit from the heart tonight. I want to tell you a little bit of a story. In 2008, the  
City incurred its first violation from the Missouri Department of Natural Resources  
for our water treatment plant for disinfection byproducts, and experts were  
engaged to determine what we should do. And  
a short-term solution was provided,  
and that's what we pursued. But long-term recommendations were given. That's  
where we were. Fast forward to now, and we are about to spend $23 million on the  
same short-term solution. And that really gets at us, as people who have, for the  
last five plus years, advocated for the members of our community who cannot  
afford filtered water, who cannot afford to do something different. Because while  
we may say that we have safe water, it is not as safe as it can be and as it should be  
for our community. The regulations that are in place are not what we know they  
should be. There have been no updates in decades. We know that we have people  
within the City who are willing to admit that we finally do have influence of surface  
water, and that is where the plans for the design for the new treatment plant  
facility will guide us. However, because we know that we are not  
a
true  
groundwater facility, the changes that are going to be made -- all of the new  
treatment units that will come into place -- will not allow us to resume free  
chlorine disinfection. What that tells us, at  
a very bottom, granular level, is that we  
will still have dirt in our water after spending $23 million to fix the plant as it should  
have been fixed many, many years ago. We will not be able to resume chlorine  
disinfection. We have asked for granular activated carbon to be included in the  
filters of the new treatment facility as it is repaired, and that has not been  
included. We have included our expert in discussions with staff and the consultant,  
and we are not given clear indication of why this is the case. And so we beg of you,  
council members, to ask those questions. Why is this not important to our citizens,  
to our community, to the health of our citizens? The decision-making process  
seems to be bouncing very clearly. We are often told, “ask staff.” We are told, “ask  
Council.” We are told, “ask consultants.” We are never -- we are told, “ask the  
Water and Light Advisory Board.” We really aren't given  
a
clear indication. But,  
recently when we've been having these conversations, we've been told Council has  
the wherewithal to make these things happen, and so we come to you tonight  
saying, “please make these things happen for our community.” It isn't just our  
economy. It isn't just the business development of our community. It is our health.  
These things are options and somebody or somewhere these decisions are being  
made, and we can't get a clear answer as to why those decisions are being made --  
as to why we can't get these things included in this iteration of our water treatment  
facility. We are paying for repairs that should have been done over  
a decade ago,  
and we're not getting the true water quality accomplishments that we should  
because we are told it is either too expensive or it is just not part of the solution  
right now, and that is not okay. And so we ask you, “what do you want for your  
family?” What do you want for the people you care about in this community? And it  
shouldn't be just the status quo and it shouldn't be just to avoid violation. It should  
be the best that we can offer, and it should be what we owned our citizens  
decade ago. Thank you.  
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SPC67-21  
Walter Minner - Concerns on Blackfoot Road.  
Walter Minner spoke.  
MINNER: Biggest main concern is safety on Blackfoot Road. Does everybody know  
where this is? You know it’s off of Route E. It's like going to LA Nichols Golf Course,  
on your right, and the road going to your left -- it starts Blackfoot. Now that road is a  
narrow road.  
I was almost run off the road because of those wide big trucks, the  
dump trucks and the concrete trucks, 18 - wheelers. They go over the yellow line  
and I'm afraid someone is going to get hurt or killed. And doing -- we need to do  
something about the safety on this road.  
trucks. They just paved new pavement around that really bad corner last week.  
So, who pays for all that? The public, I guess. You know on taxes. Well to avoid that,  
have solution, possible solution, of taking care of the maintenance part when no  
They also tear up the road, them big  
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trucks go down that road. My purpose here is to see if we could stop those trucks  
from going up and down Blackfoot. They do have their own entrance and their own  
exit. And why they may not use it is because there’s speedbumps, and I don't know  
if that’s the reason, but they got speed bumps going out their own road that they  
have built for themselves. So why don't they use theirs instead of Blackfoot? It's  
a
nice wide road and everything, going in and out. A solution may be, if that would be  
the problem, remove the speed bumps so they would be happy to go up and down  
their own road. Did you have  
that’s -- have close encounters with these trucks and almost had to go off the road.  
One sides big bank and one side is just big drop off where there's trees and  
brush and all that. We get run off, someone's going to get hurt. To avoid big  
a comment? No, okay. As I know several people --  
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lawsuit, we need to do something about it now, before somebody does get hurt.  
And I've got a possible solution -- is to put a sign down close -- there’s entrance and  
exit there at close to the bottom of that big hill. And the beginning is to have a sign  
put up saying who could go down and who can't, like dump trucks, concrete trucks,  
18-wheelers, the big trucks that are too big for that road. I know it would be pretty  
costly to put a whole new road in and widen it up, but -- and then have it patrolled  
now and then by the city police. Give out the tickets, and that revenue from the  
tickets can help maintain that road -- that’s one solution. There was  
them here. But if you need a petition, I will go door to door getting signatures from  
voters, registered voters, who are concerned of Blackfoot -- traveling that. have to  
a couple of  
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travel that every day. I know I can go down Wilcox Road, but Wilcox Road don't have  
guardrails around that creek that's down there, so  
Blackfoot.  
I don't go that way. I go down  
TREECE: Got it. Thank you very much for being here tonight.  
MINNER: And so, I just need some help in trying to get that place safe so that we  
don't have to get hurt, and I have a gentleman here that had a close call if you want  
to hear him testify on what happened to him. And his name is Clifton Smith. And  
just need help in trying to make that place safe.  
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TREECE: Thank you bringing in our attention. We'll follow up with staff.  
MINNER: So, if  
I can get help from the City Council -- helping me and finding out  
what we need to do. What is the next step? See I don't know how this is all done,  
but --  
TREECE: We’ll make sure someone follows up with you. I want to make sure I’m fair  
to everyone that has a chance to speak tonight. Thank you, Mr. Minner.  
SPC68-21  
Traci Wilson-Kleekamp, Race Matters, Friends -Transparency: 2022  
Mayoral Candidates and City Manager Finalists -- Who gets to know about  
the city manager finalists when the information is considered confidential?  
Traci Wilson-Kleekamp spoke.  
WILSON-KLEEKAMP: Good evening, Mayor Treece and Council.  
not to swear. can’t promise you won’t. Tonight I'm discussing transparency and  
cultivating discomfort. want to begin by thanking mayoral candidate, David  
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will try very hard  
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Seamon, for saying, today, to KOMU, about the tragedy we had over the weekend,  
that understanding community violence means you have to consider all factors --  
poverty, low wages, inadequate housing, and systemic racism.  
I
also want to add  
most white Americans, admitted or not -- they consider Black people both to be  
deserving victims and the dangerous vectors of violence, who bear the burden and  
the blame for much of the nation's exceptional record of death and destruction.  
I
was happy to see that the chief of police did say today -- with the community's help  
detectives were able to quickly identify the suspect and take them into custody.  
This is -- I’m glad he came to senses overnight because yesterday he accused the  
community  
effectively with others across cultural differences is  
to be seen as an under-qualification for anyone tasked with leading  
otherwise diverse workforce. It is result of white supremacy that has not always  
of not being cooperative. The ability to understand and work  
critical skill. Lacking it ought  
racially and  
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been understood this way. And finally, I want to say the concept of peace over truth  
versus truth over peace affirms that culturally many white people tend to avoid  
conflict, to agree to disagree, as  
people tend to surface and address conflict directly, even if it's uncomfortable.  
want to ask that the Mayor and Council consider, very soon, developing process  
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way of keeping peace. Conversely, many Black  
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for the public to be made aware of what is going on in the City Manager's search  
process. We did it last time. I think you can do it again. I don't understand, like, the  
absolute no update on what's going on. But  
I
also wanted to comment on  
was  
thought it was sanctimonious.  
thought it was inappropriate to  
trauma, and it became  
transparency in terms of how we engage the public on difficult issues. So  
I
unhappy with the press conference yesterday.  
thought it was paternalistic, that was lecturing.  
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blame somebody when someone had died and there was  
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spat with a Black business owner. That wasn't the time for that. I didn't like it that  
we threw one of the council members under the bus because she wasn't in town  
and that wasn't stopped.  
I also didn't like it that I heard that we have money set  
aside to do community violence intervention, but we're not doing anything yet, but  
we have a fire. So, it appears that this body has made a decision not to spend the  
money that’s set aside to put out fires. But we've given [unaudible] fires.  
The  
hypocrisy really stuck with me yesterday because at the last council meeting, you  
all voted to basically gut the Citizens Police Review Board and you voted for the  
Police Bill of Rights. But at the same time, the chief and the Mayor were  
complaining yesterday about the public not being cooperative, not helping them  
out. It seems to me you can't have it both ways. At some point, you have to  
remember that we don't have community policing not because of the public, but  
because the police department’s leadership shot its own self in the foot. They were  
the ones who were against it. They are the ones who drag their feet. They are the  
ones who struggle with the idea of being guardians. As the chief said, we have a lot  
of guns on the street. You can get 100 more cops, and that's not going to detour all  
the people that have guns. We have people have more guns than we have children  
in this country, practically. So the question is -- is the council willing to invest  
resources in community violence interventions that ameliorate asking the police to  
do things that they have zero skills to do with.  
The City does  
have the money to  
interrupt structural barriers, inequities, but they have chosen not to spend that  
money. I want to note that in a document I got a few months ago, it says -- it's an  
update to the Mayor's Task Force on Community Violence, which we haven't talked  
about publicly -- it says city social services funding is at its lowest level since 2008.  
No additional city social services funding has been made available since it was  
decreased by five percent in 2008. So, it seems to me that this body is making  
a
political decision, number one not to invest meaningfully in marginalized  
communities, and when there is violence, you're mad and blaming the very  
community that is being subjected to the violence.  
want to close briefly -- and I know I’m a little bit over -- I want to say something  
about discomfort because feel like this anxiety that white people have about  
I think that has to change. And I  
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dealing with difficult issues makes them shut down. To feel uncomfortable is  
precisely to be affected by that which persist in shaping the bodies and lives.  
Discomfort is hence not about assimilation or resistance, but about inhabiting  
norms differently. The inhabitants is generative or productive and so far as it does  
not end with a failure of norms to be secured but with possibilities of living that do  
not follow these norms through. It is not so much that discomfort becomes radically  
transformative by breaking away from norms completely, but rather, discomfort  
shows us how to abide differently within these norms. Because discomfort is also  
passage through which we are moved by a lack of ease with the available scripts for  
living and loving toward others. Perhaps no less discomforting, possibilities for  
collective life. So, hope that you'll think about that -- with violence that you have  
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to invest in it. You just can't keep blaming the people who are affected by violence.  
You're going to have to do something different. Thanks.  
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS  
PH44-21  
Proposed reconstruction of the pavement, curb, gutter, sidewalk and  
driveway approaches along Walnut Street between College Avenue and  
Old Highway 63 North.  
PH44-21 was read by the City Clerk.  
Acting Public Works Director Shane Creech provided a staff report.  
CREECH:  
Shane Creech, I'm the Interim Director of Public Works. This is a major  
maintenance  
project  
along  
Walnut  
Street,  
between  
College  
Avenue  
and  
Old  
Highway 63. The project includes reconstruction of pavement, curb and gutter,  
sidewalk, curb ramps, and drive approaches in various locations. The project also  
includes an asphalt overlay and new pavement markings along the entire length of  
the project. An online interested parties meeting was held in June of this year and  
an person IP meeting was held on September 29. Three residents attended the  
in-person IP meeting, and no written comments were received as part of that  
process. Easements are not anticipated to be necessary, and construction is  
currently scheduled for completion in the summer of 2022. Total project cost is  
estimated at $388,000, and funding will come from the quarter cent capital  
improvement program sales tax. Allison Anderson and Elizabeth Farr, two of the  
city's engineers on this project, are with me tonight, and we are happy to answer  
any questions you may have.  
Mayor Treece opened the public hearing.  
Peter Norgard spoke.  
NORGARD: I drove on that section of the road to get here tonight, and I can tell you  
it's in great shape. That's sarcastic. It's in pretty bad shape so I would agree with this  
project. One thing that  
the south side, which has an appearance of favoring Stephens College. There are no  
ADA improvements planned for the northern side, and that seems little odd to  
me because Freedom House is on the north side. So -- know that there was  
I would say -- most of the ADA improvements are going on  
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certain amount of money allocated to this project back in 2015, and I would ask that  
you consider taking some of the surplus and using it to make some ADA  
improvements on the north side because those sidewalks are very narrow, and,  
I
would say, difficult for people in chairs to navigate if there's oncoming pedestrians,  
and there's a lot of pedestrian traffic on that street. I don't have much more to say.  
If you have any questions --  
TREECE: I appreciate your personal experience.  
There being no further comment, Mayor Treece closed the public hearing.  
The Council asked questions and made comments.  
SKALA: This is a Third Ward project. But I just want to ask a question of staff now  
that it was brought up by Mr. Norgard -- is there  
a
reason why the ADA  
improvements were primarily featured on the south side and there was no -- not to  
the extent -- that there were not as many improvements on the north side?  
CREECH: It was purely done by survey information. We did survey, and the locations  
that were in need of repair -- the ramps and such. Those were the locations  
SKALA: So, survey in terms of the topographical aspects of the ground, but not  
necessarily in terms of any kind of pedestrian traffic -- or there was no -- there's no  
sense of that.  
CREECH: No, it was based solely on the needs based on land survey.  
SKALA: Thank you.  
Mayor Treece made a motion directing staff to proceed forward with the final  
construction plan specifications for the Walnut Street resurfacing project. The  
motion was seconded by Council Member Waner and approved unanimously by  
voice vote.  
PH45-21  
Proposed construction of a sidewalk on the west side of Audubon Drive  
between Azalea Drive and Shepard Boulevard.  
PH45-21 was read by the City Clerk.  
Acting Public Works Director Shane Creech provided a staff report, and  
the Council asked questions to which staff responded.  
CREECH: This sidewalk project has been on the City's sidewalk master plan since  
2007 and is considered  
a
priority sidewalk due to its proximity to Shepard  
Elementary School and Shepard Park. The project includes the construction over  
1,200 feet of sidewalk along the west side of Audubon Drive to fill in the sidewalk  
gap between Azalea Drive and Shepard Boulevard. The preliminary design includes  
a
five-foot sidewalk and three-foot green space between Azalea Drive and Mallard  
Court, and six-foot sidewalk at the back of curb between Mallard Court and  
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Shepard Boulevard. This work also includes the reconstruction of eight drive  
approaches to accommodate the new sidewalk and the replacement of an existing  
curb inlet. An interested parties meeting was held on September 28. Two residents  
attended the meeting and four written comments were received, three against the  
project and one supporting the project. Temporary construction easements will be  
necessary to complete the project which is scheduled for completion in the  
summer of 2022. The estimated total project cost is $300,000. And funding will come  
from the quarter cent capital improvement program sales tax.  
questions you may have.  
Happy to answer any  
PETERS: Yeah, I have a couple of questions. Has anyone done a -- like a traffic study  
-- or looked to see how many people would be using the sidewalk?  
CREECH: Not to my knowledge. There is  
a traffic calming project in the works. For  
probably next year -- you'll probably see that come across, but as far as use of the  
sidewalk -- not to my knowledge.  
PETERS: Because this has been like -- what fourteen years ago? So that seems like  
that hasn’t been a problem -- or has it been a problem to not have a sidewalk on  
the west side -- because the schools on the east side, right?  
CREECH: Correct. It's  
a neighborhood collector. We strive to have sidewalks on both  
sides of the road. It will allow them to get up to Shepard Boulevard. That's another  
location in the future we’re looking at, you know, adding sidewalks to both sides  
there. It has been in the works for a while and it takes us a while to get to them.  
PETERS: And this just wasn't put in when the road was put in?  
thanks.  
I guess not. Okay,  
TREECE: So, there is a sidwalk on the other side. Can you back up closer to -- I seem  
to recall we had some public comment, either at the beginning or an end of the  
meeting from  
a mom who had kids that lived in kind of the new development on  
the front end that is on Mallard Court, and is -- so there's no sidewalk on the west  
side. Is that right?  
CREECH: Correct.  
TREECE: Up until you get to the first --  
CREECH: This fills in a gap from Azalea to Shepard so there is up to Azalea.  
TREECE: Is there a crosswalk across?  
CREECH: There's a crosswalk on each end of the block the school is on.  
TREECE: Is there a crosswalk from that -- is it Mallard Court that I'm thinking of or is  
it --  
PETERS: It could be Mallard Court.  
I know someone had commented that there was  
no place for the school kids to cross the road safely.  
TREECE: Okay. Alright.  
PITZER: It looks like on your plans there, you're -- so you're removing several trees  
along that side. Is that right?  
CREECH: Correct.  
PITZER: Are those like larger mature trees or what are you talking about?  
CREECH: It's an older neighborhood, so yes, there are some large, mature trees.  
There's one in particular that we're working with the property owner on to attempt  
to save. That's one of the reasons we brought the sidewalk in up against the back of  
curb for  
a portion of it. But there's some that are close enough that either way to  
put in sidewalk, you’re --  
PITZER: Like six -- am I counting that right? And then you replace those?  
PITZER: It's not typically in in the budget. We could definitely look at that if it’s  
something we’re directed to do.  
PITZER: Okay, thanks.  
Mayor Treece opened the public hearing.  
Paul Huesgen, Tim Rich, Roger Caffrey, and Lauri Rich spoke.  
HUESGEN: Thank you for your skepticism and thank you for the appreciation for the  
trees.  
TREECE: Would you mind to state your name?  
HUESGEN: My name is Paul Huesgen.  
Shepard, or sorry, Meadow Lark. And, here’s the thing,  
corner of my yard if the crosswalk made it safer. Now, if any of ya’ll have ever  
worked at job where something was designed that wasn't quite what the people  
who lived or worked there use, you'll get what I'm saying. This sidewalk will make  
things much more dangerous. And know every study you will see will say that  
Shepard -- or that putting sidewalks near schools will make things safer. Shepard is  
one of the places that did my student teaching at. love the neighborhood. If  
will go back to  
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lived right on the corner of Audubon and  
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would gladly to devote  
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ever decide to not run Flat Branch Pub and Brewing anymore,  
elementary school teaching and this is the school of my choice.  
TREECE: Which do you like better?  
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HUESGEN:  
when, when students let out, even though, there's  
there's sidewalk -- this is where all the parents line up to pick up and drop off  
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appreciate that. So, here's how it's going to make things unsafe. Now  
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no parking on one side, where  
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their kids, whether it's in the morning or in the nighttime. It's fine, but it's on one  
side. There's a no parking on this side -- sign, but it's kind of a gifted -- this is where  
we’ll park, this is where the students come out. That's fine. If you do that on the  
other side, that's where they're going to park. It's going to narrow it down to less  
than  
a lane or maybe a half a lane where people are going to be letting off their  
kids, and they're going to be going in and out of traffic. Right now, there is no spot  
on the other side of the road for people to drop off their kids, nor would anybody  
expect their kids to be picked up in somebody's yard. So, it'll make it much more  
dangerous for people dropping off and picking up their children along that road  
because people will drop off their kids and pick up their kids where there’s  
sidewalk. Dangerous point number two, you're backing out of your driveway -- if  
there's kids getting dropped off there and picked up there, there's going to be kids  
running back and forth. There is absolutely not jaywalking issue at all because  
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there aren't kids walking in our driveways or walking in our front yards. If you put a  
sidewalk there kids are going to jaywalk. If you really want to make this area safer, I  
suggest speed bumps. The map kind of doesn't quite tell you how it's  
a completely  
straight street, and even though there is a, you know, blinking sign up that says  
you're driving over 20 miles an hour -- I've seen in the three years that I've lived on  
the corner that small crosswalk sign get taken out 2-3 times by somebody going  
40-50 miles an hour. If you really want to make this safe, you got to put up some  
stop signs. And actually, you'll note that catty corner from where my place is,  
there's  
a
largely misunderstood kind of triangle where people don't know what's  
roundabout, put stop sign up there, put crosswalk up  
going on. Turn it into  
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there, do something, but the sidewalk doesn't make things safer. It makes things  
much more dangerous and that’s just the kids. The whole idea is that the only thing  
that this is going to do is make things safer for the community, but it doesn't. It  
does the exact opposite. It makes things very unsafe for anybody in the  
neighborhood. If you go down Meadow Lark, right there, you'll notice that there are  
no stop signs in that entire neighborhood. We have  
community and everyone takes their kids out walking constantly. My fear is that if  
you put sidewalk right there, that's just going to encourage people to jaywalk left  
and right, whereas, that's not a problem right now. Put a stop sign up one way, put a  
speed bump, put another crosswalk --those are much more budget friendly. And  
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very friendly family  
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think Peters and Pitzer brought up that -- 2007 was the idea that this is going to  
connect us up to the park. This doesn't connect us up to the park. There's still no  
sidewalk that goes down to the park. down where Shepard is. This is also the  
church, the Presbyterian or Unitarian. There is  
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church at the end of the road.  
There's no sidewalk that goes up to it. That's where we all vote. So, it increases  
jaywalking. You put a no parking sign up there, but there's already a parking sign on  
the other side of the street. Backing out of the driveway is going to make it really,  
really unsafe for anybody walking up and down the street.  
TREECE:  
I appreciate -- I'm going to ask you a couple of questions, just to kind of  
wrap it up. So, I seem to recall now -- I started looking at the overhead map. We had  
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mom from Stratford Chase Parkway express concern that there's no way -- there’s  
little dead-end sidewalk that that developer put in when they -- probably  
because they're required to -- when they built that, and it doesn’t connect to  
anything. And then there’s no crosswalk to actually get on the other side of the  
street where there is sidewalk. And so, the hearing notice says on the west side  
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of Audubon Drive between Azelea Drive and Shepard Boulevard. Well Azalea is not  
even on the west side. It's Stratford Chase there.  
HUESGEN: There’s sidewalk right there. There’s no way to build an entire sidewalk.  
TREECE: Wouldn’t some crosswalks that connect the neighborhood over to where  
the sidewalk is --  
HUESGEN: -- or stop signs or roundabouts -- anything that stops the speeding. The  
speeding is the main danger of that road. It's not people crossing the street. And  
then on the aesthetics, the removal of the trees  
neighborhood.  
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TREECE: Actually, makes people go faster. Yeah.  
RICH: My name is Tim Rich. I'm  
corner of Meadow Lark and Audubon. And,  
say, my neighbor. We've been in that house for nearly 22 years now and have not  
seen problem at all in terms of the sidewalks. would suggest, and my  
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resident 2516 Meadow Lark Lane, right on the  
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recommendation would be, instead of spending the nearly $400,000 or more to put  
a sidewalk in, that we install a crosswalk up at Stratford Chase to get on the side of  
the street where the school is, where there's already  
all the way to the school. I also am concerned that taking out a large tree, which is  
right outside my house, and putting in six foot sidewalk from the curb -- right  
a sidewalk that is accessible  
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banked up against the curb -- is going to put that sidewalk directly under my  
bathroom window and probably not more than 15 feet away. That seems too close  
for me and for my comfort, and  
I don't understand why that has to be done with  
these old trees that have been in this neighborhood forever. This is one of the  
younger ones, but it's still a very mature tree, and we would hate to lose that. Also,  
I
am concerned about the speed at which vehicles travel through this community  
and through our neighborhood. It is problem day and night, 24 hours day. We  
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have motorcycles that pop wheelies and speed down through the neighborhood at  
night. And when we have teenage kids in the neighborhood who are crossing back  
and forth going over to the park at the school, going up to the park, at the pocket  
park at Shepard Boulevard, across from the school -- we have garbage trucks -- and  
I've complained to  
flying through there in the morning at 40-50 miles an hour trying to get the garbage  
picked up at the school. And think this is absolutely irresponsible that we would  
have garbage trucks anywhere in the City who are speeding, and so, what would  
a previous city manager about this -- garbage trucks that come  
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like to see you do with those funds, which are our tax funds, is to cut down the  
expense -- to put in the crosswalk at Stratford Chase, to put in speed bumps,  
perhaps even  
a stop sign at the corner of Meadow Lark and Audubon -- something  
that would slow these people down that go through our neighborhood. Many of  
them are visitors. They do not live in the neighborhood. And this has become the  
most important safety issue of my family and has been for the 20 years that we've  
been there, and still nothing has been done. And now we're being told it might be  
done next year. They were out there  
concrete, and expected they were putting something in, and then they came back  
and took them all out. So, hope that you would hear the concerns of the  
neighborhood, and that you would put the children's safety first and slow down the  
traffic and allow crosswalk to go in, which will save the taxpayers money as well.  
a couple of months ago, drilling holes in the  
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CAFFREY: My name is Roger Caffrey.  
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live in 1005 Audubon Drive, on the west side,  
completely agree with.  
will add that there are four written  
directly across from the school. What’s already been said,  
I've also done the written comments. And  
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comments now in opposition, not three. That was done by Mr. Harrison back here.  
Of our block, there are six houses on that block. Four of us have written comments  
in opposition to this for all the various reasons. I have talked to two people who did  
not -- they are also opposed. That makes all six houses and residents along that  
block opposed to doing this.  
because live right where the buses come in and leave. If you start allowing --  
causing people to start parking on my side of the street, you're putting that bus into  
very sharp -- because they’re parking on the east side already. And what you're  
going to do is create a hazard that way. This is not needed. I have lived there since  
1991. have lived in the area since 1981. You know, don't know why this was  
actually proposed because there is no need for that sidewalk whatsoever. The  
other side has perfectly good sidewalk. If you put in few crossings up at Chase  
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where they said, you'll take care of the problem, and it's not certainly going to cost  
you $300,000. And put in maybe a stop sign and the speed bumps, and you will take  
care of those problems. I see this is not needed, at least in my block -- not wanted,  
and basically,  
a waste of $300,000. And what I have heard here tonight, there seems  
to be other places where you can spend that $300,000 and do more for the public  
than you would by putting in this sidewalk.  
RICH:  
My name is Lauri Rich and I live at 2516 Meadow Lark Lane. And, we've lived  
am concerned like the rest of them, but -- you have to  
there for 23 years.  
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understand --  
I had a daycare there for ten years. And, our biggest concern is the  
speed. So however you can do it, that is the main problem -- is getting those people  
to slow down. Even the buses are flying down those roads. You have to remember,  
this community is all about riding  
that want to ride bikes, and they're not going to ride  
need to slow the traffic down so that these people and these young families  
have these families -- our families are turning over. We're getting whole -- people  
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bicycle, okay, and we have  
bike on a sidewalk. So we  
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a lot of neighbors  
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are dying and so we have a lot of young families. I'm sorry -- I don’t know how else  
to say it -- but they’re turning over, and so we have a lot of young families, a lot of  
young kids, and we want it to be a really vibrant community, but I can't let my kids -  
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I can't let my grandkids who ride their bike -- I'm lucky enough to have my  
grandkids lived two blocks away from me, and if they ride their bikes, I’m, like,  
don’t go this way because you might get hit by a car. You know, so I think -- I get  
what Stratford Chase is saying, and they definitely need some type of crossing, and  
they need -- a four way stop is what they need up there. But don't put one of those  
stupid green signs up because they're just going to knock it down, you know. So  
those things are just a waste of money. But  
I think that if you really want to save  
some cash, what you need to do is put in some stop signs and put in some bumps of  
some kind. But thank you -- if you could slow the traffic down, you’re a winner.  
There being no further comment, Mayor Treece closed the public hearing.  
The Council asked further questions and made comments.  
PETERS: I’ll start since it's in my ward.  
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would think after fourteen years of no  
know we like to  
sidewalk on the west side -- know that neighborhood. Although  
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have complete streets, and we like to have sidewalks on both sides. After fourteen  
years, I'm not really sure that that’s necessary. There is a good sidewalk on the east  
side. I do agree that we need to do something about the speed that's  
downhill. From Stadium, it comes down hill and hits to Meadow Lark, and then it  
goes back up hill to the school, and would agree -- and we've talked about this  
a -- it goes  
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before -- putting some kind of speed bumps in. I think of the ones over on Stewart  
Road. Those work really well because you really can't hit those things too fast or  
you don't do it more than once. You know, and perhaps asking our street engineers  
to look at side or crosswalks or other ways to slow traffic versus the money for this  
expanse of sidewalk -- I don’t think it's needed.  
TREECE: I'm going to defer to the representative of this ward, but  
I would tend to  
agree. And I know that -- I used to live south of there as well. And I think what she  
was really -- what the public comment was really asking for was just  
her kids across the street safely. And I think there's a couple ways to do that.  
a way to get  
PETERS:  
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think our engineers can do that.  
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mean, that’s -- we’ve got good  
engineers.  
TREECE: Mr. Thomas.  
THOMAS: Well,  
should have been designed in in the first place. Having said that, speeding is  
serious problem and adding sidewalk is not going to address that car speed on  
Audubon because the road’s too wide and it's dead straight and there's no visual  
interruption looking ahead. So, since the residents in the area don't want  
sidewalk, it probably doesn't make sense to build it there and spend all that  
money, at least at the present time. If we don't do this, though, think that the  
speeding issue should be addressed. At the very least this should be graded for the  
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think every street should have sidewalks on both sides, and they  
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Neighborhood Traffic Management Program to see how, you know, where it ranks,  
and either speed bumps or -- my strong preference to speed bumps is what's called  
horizontal deflection, using bump outs that narrow the road, and those work very  
well in combination with  
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pedestrian crosswalk. Narrow it down to about 20 feet.  
That's enough room for two cars to pass, but quite slowly because it's quite narrow.  
And then those pedestrian bump outs are waiting areas for the vehicles to stop,  
and then there are marked crosswalks or central islands and medians. And  
I will say,  
I've just seen a plan for, I think it’s Smith Drive, which shows a combination of those  
kinds of narrowings from the edge and central medians. And  
seen suggests those are quite effective at slowing traffic.  
I -- the research I've  
TREECE: I'll just chime in on that, and suggest that removing the trees -- we’ve seen  
THOMAS: I agree with you.  
TREECE: We’ve seen every that shows --  
THOMAS: We want that visual deflection --  
TREECE: -- canopy slows people down. It shades the street. You naturally go slower.  
I'm going to make  
meeting without the sidewalk on the west side -- that it includes  
crosswalks. You can do the bump outs. I'll defer to the neighborhood on that. But  
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suggestion that we direct staff to redo the interested parties  
a
series of  
re-engage that neighborhood with respect to speed tables, like what we did on  
Stewart Road and see if we can’t come in under budget on this and actually give  
them what they want, which is slower traffic and a safe way to get to a sidewalk.  
SKALA: Just  
a comment. I was persuaded by the testimony of the folks -- they kind  
of know what they want and they've lived here for a long period of time. What they  
want is some sort of speed mitigation strategy and crosswalks, and we know that,  
but  
I think it's a good idea to have an interested parties meeting to get a whole  
report essentially back for some of the best strategies to accomplish those goals.  
TREECE: Ms. Peters, are you okay with that?  
PETERS: I think that would be lovely.  
PITZER: So, they did send out the email just before we came in here about the  
interested parties meeting on December 13 for traffic calming Audubon Drive and  
Shepard Boulevard.  
TREECE: Great, so let's use that one.  
PETERS: They're so efficient. Okay, let's do that.  
TREECE: Okay, that completes the public hearing.  
PH46-21  
Proposed replacement of a sanitary sewer under U.S. Highway 63 and  
south of I-70.  
PH46-21 was read by the City Clerk.  
Utilities Director David Sorrell provided a staff report, and the Council  
asked questions to which staff responded.  
SORRELL: David Sorrell, Director of Utilities. This project consists of installing  
approximately 720 feet of new sewer pipe and three access structures. The purpose  
is to replace failing sewer underneath the Highway 63 connector. That sewer’s  
failed, it’s settled. It accumulates solids and grease, and we have to clean it often.  
This accumulation increases the potential for us to have sanitary sewer overflows in  
the area. Replacement of this sewer, while eliminating the need to do all the  
additional cleaning and -- it also aligns with the goals in our strategic plan related to  
infrastructure replacement and goals included in the stormwater and wastewater  
integrated  
management  
plan.  
We  
held  
a
virtual  
interested  
parties  
meeting  
between May 25 and 28, 2021. No negative comments were received as part of that  
meeting. Since then, we've talked to one property owner that’s generally  
supportive of the project. The majority of it's located within MoDOT right-of-way,  
and we've talked with MoDOT staff, and they're not objecting to us completing this  
project. It’s estimated to cost approximately $625,000 and will be paid for with  
sewer utility funds. With that, I’d be happy to try to answer questions, and  
realized - but that's where we're talking about.  
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TREECE: What's your timetable?  
SORRELL: We don’t actually have  
a
timetable. If you tell us to proceed, we'll go  
ahead and do the plans and then come back with authority to construct.  
TREECE: Would you be interested to know that MoDOT is engineering that right now  
-- to redo the 63-70 interchange?  
SORRELL: We'll talk with them and see if this will have to be relocated. If it would  
have to be relocated, we'll postpone.  
TREECE: Could you coordinate with them. They want to have those done in early 22,  
spring of 22.  
SORRELL: Yeah, we'll coordinate that with them because  
have to do it twice.  
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definitely don't want to  
Mayor Treece opened the public hearing.  
There being no comment, Mayor Treece closed the public hearing.  
Mayor Treece made a motion directing staff to proceed with the sewer  
replacement project located at the US 63 connector, south of Interstate 70. The  
motion was seconded by Council Member Skala and approved unanimously by  
voice vote.  
PH47-21  
Voluntary annexation of property located on the east side of Bearfield Road  
and north of Woodhaven Road (4000 S. Bearfield Road) (Case No.  
7-2022).  
PH47-21 was read by the City Clerk.  
Community Development Director Tim Teddy provided a staff report, and  
the Council asked questions to which staff responded.  
TEDDY: Tim Teddy, Community Development Director, and this  
a
request for  
annexation and also permanent zoning brought by Central Missouri Subcontracting  
Enterprises. They are the owner of 4000 South Bearfield Road, and have submitted  
a petition. This is about two-thirds of an acre. As you can see, the location is across  
Bearfield Road from Bearfield Meadows Subdivision, which is in the city limits. To  
the west is other facilities owned by this owner, Central Missouri Subcontracting  
Enterprises, and it's their desire to add this to their property. Along with that,  
they've requested mixed-use office zoning to facilitate the possible future addition  
of offices and classrooms, according to their testimony. And this zoning graphic is  
color-coded. Generally speaking, the colors are city jurisdiction, so you can see this  
property does sit contiguous to city boundary on three sides. The heavy gray is  
actually also  
enterprise behind it. And this is property that was formerly owned by the water  
district. It's currently in an agriculture district. Being utility function, that was the  
a
city zoning district, the industrial -- it is an industrial nonprofit  
a
only zoning that was needed. City roadway jurisdiction, city utilities, and again  
contiguous on three sides -- all council needs to do tonight is convene the public  
hearing on the annexation. There is  
a
bill that is on your agenda for first --  
introduction and first reading that will rezone the property, and as it’s annexed --  
and that is scheduled for consent at your next meeting and that's because this  
received  
a
strong recommendation of approval from the Planning and Zoning  
Commission as to the zoning. Try to answer any questions you might have.  
THOMAS: So, Tim, just --  
dashed line on that.  
I see the black line. I guess that's city limits -- the black  
TEDDY: Yeah, there's  
but otherwise, you have Bearfield Meadows, which is  
and then newer subdivision, Villages of Bearfield -- is to the south there. And  
then you have the old -- think it's the old Woodhaven property that’s now  
privately owned outside the city limits.  
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rectangular piece on the west side that not within the city,  
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fairly large neighborhood  
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THOMAS: The area that is outside the city limits is the rectangle? Oh, okay. It's the  
rectangle that’s zoned A-2. The subject property, which is A-1, and that area that is  
C-GP and R-MP -- and that's like a couple of islands right there inside the city.  
TEDDY: This will even out the city’s boundary on the south side, and again, it’s the  
same owner that already has their main facility within the city limits. They had  
acquired this quite recently from the water district. It was surplus property.  
THOMAS: Okay, thank you.  
PETERS: Can I just ask -- is this -- the Giving Gardens is just east of that, correct? So,  
this is what you see as you pull into that area. And is this the same owner?  
TEDDY: Yes. EMSE, for short.  
PITZER: And then further to the east there, that lighter blue, larger parcel. Is there a  
-- where’s the access to that? Is there a city street or --  
TEDDY: Yeah, I think it comes off of Nifong there. There's an old road. I don’t have a  
good aerial so I apologize for that.  
GLASCOCK: It’s the old Woodhaven driveway.  
PITZER: Okay.  
Mayor Treece opened the public hearing.  
Dee Dokken spoke.  
DOKKEN: Dee Dokken, 804 Again Street. And,  
report about this that something that was in the  
and that was that this site and the surrounding areas per the future land use map  
are all located within sensitive area. This overlay designation identifies the  
recharge area for Devil’s Icebox. Preservation and protection of these areas should  
be encouraged to mitigate negative impacts on community resources. think that's  
good information to have. And, originally, was just going to maybe say protection  
of these areas should be required, not just encouraged. So, I'm just bringing that  
point up. But in general, you know, this seems like good project, but it’s good to  
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keep in mind that this is the area that we’re trying to protect by plan. Hopefully,  
getting some planning in the area. Thank you.  
There being no further comment, Mayor Treece closed the public hearing.  
VI. OLD BUSINESS  
B356-21  
Approving the Final Plat of “Fyfer’s Subdivision, Plat No. 2” located on the  
north side of University Avenue and east of William Street (1617 University  
Avenue); authorizing a performance contract (Case No. 268-2021).  
Discussion shown with B358-21.  
B357-21  
Approving the Final Plat of “Fyfer’s Subdivision, Plat No. 3” located on the  
north side of University Avenue and east of William Street (1615 University  
Avenue); authorizing a performance contract (Case No. 269-2021).  
Discussion shown with B358-21.  
B358-21  
Approving the Final Plat of “Fyfer’s Subdivision, Plat No. 4” located on the  
north side of University Avenue and east of William Street (1611 University  
Avenue); authorizing a performance contract (Case No. 270-2021).  
The bills were given second reading by the City Clerk.  
Community Development Director Tim Teddy provided a staff report, and  
the Council asked questions to which staff responded.  
TEDDY: These are three properties. It'll be familiar to the City Council. We've had  
two prior applications involving this same area. And, what I've shown here is the  
three -- the site of the three lots that are under review tonight. In one rectangle  
form there, it's about 200 feet wide and not quite 230 feet in depth, zoned  
multi-family. This is on the north side of University Avenue. There's three assigned  
addresses tied to this, 1617 East University, 1615 and 1611 East University. In the  
aerial photo, there's  
there. That's been torn down. We do have  
that. This is just general aerial, just showing some of the addresses in the vicinity.  
a
house shown on the east edge of the site. That's no longer  
a
more recent aerial photo that’ll show  
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Again, the 1617 University address and the 1611, and the property in between are  
the area to be platted -- so, north side of University, between William and Ann. This  
is  
down, so it's been removed from the base map there -- just to give  
indication of how the topography runs in this area, and one of the purposes in  
showing this is to indicate that there's fairly deep ravine at the east end of the  
a
topographic exhibit and that does show that the house had 1617 had been torn  
a
general  
a
platted alley. It’s not improved anywhere near to that point, but there have been  
questions about use of alley, so Council should know that it'd be very difficult to  
carry that alley all the way to Ann Street considering that typography. Also you get a  
sense of the general drainage across these lots. It's sloping to the east, to the  
northeast or southeast, depending on where you're at on the property. We had  
remarked in  
a
previous staff report that the stormwater ordinance would not apply  
just want to state that we would apply the  
because of size of this site, and  
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stormwater manual and the City stormwater ordinance to this tract. Overall, it's  
over one acre in size, 1.05. So, we did get comment that expressed objection to that  
and our last session on this, so I just want to make that clear. And then this is  
zoning exhibit that shows that north side of University. This block, generally  
speaking, zoned R-MF, which is multi-family residential district, and there is  
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a
lighter shade of yellow that indicates R-2 that is directly east of this property. And  
then there's one lot that is R-1, which is one-family. First plat, called Plat 2, is on the  
east side there, so this would be the 1617. These are approximately equal in size,  
all three lots at about just shy of 67 feet width, and again that depth is nearly 230  
feet. So, that's called Plat 2. And each of these plats references the other two lots  
so there are placeholders showing that two other lots are being created out of this  
1.05 acres. This is the one in the middle. There was  
was demolished some years ago. That's the plat. So again, the one the middle --  
similar dimensions. And then, the one on the west side -- there is house  
occupying that lot, and this is called Plat 4. And this would be 1611 University  
Avenue -- plat. And, it’s requirement of our ordinance that any existing buildings  
a house that existed there that  
a
a
be shown -- the principal buildings that is. You don't see other types of  
improvements, like driveways and such, but this will be an indication that at the  
time of recording there was  
a
house on the property. So, these are classified as  
subdivision of this block that  
replats. As we've mentioned in the past, there's  
a
goes all the way back to 1910 called Fyfer’s Subdivision of Fyfer’s Addition, and  
these plats are, basically, creating sites for -- to become real estate or building  
sites. Basically, it's  
issued that there be legal lots of record there, and since these are all -- all three  
sites are portions of the old Fyfer's Subdivision of Fyfer's Addition -- it is required  
a
requirement of our ordinance that before any permits are  
a
step in the development process. And staff has reviewed these plats, They do  
comply with our ordinances as far as the required content of re-subdivision plats.  
We’re highlighting  
a section here that's been a discussion piece for Council and the  
public in the past, and that's that there are some criteria that indicate that a plat is  
subject to finding at Council that they are not removing any condition to the  
existing plat that may have been relied upon by the City and neighboring property  
owners, that the replat is served by adequate infrastructure to meet the increased  
demand generated by the resubdivision, and the replat is not detrimental to other  
properties in the neighborhood, or if alleged to be detrimental, the public benefit  
would outweigh the alleged detriment to the property. So, I'll leave you with that,  
and try to answer any questions.  
TREECE: Just  
a
quick procedural question -- Is there no jeopardy to administrative  
replats? mean, it seems like this Council has already rejected this twice. And here  
I
they're coming back -- the third time in six months with yet another iteration of  
this. I seem to recall on a recent, I guess it was an annexation and zoning, there was  
jeopardy that if the Council rejected it, they couldn't come back for  
pushed back when they tried to come back and say have you worked with the  
neighborhood on this? mean, keep getting emails in opposition to this. Is there  
a year. Staff  
I
I
no barrier to them attempting this again, and again, and again?  
TEDDY: No, there's not Mayor. We do have that provision for zoning changes. So, if  
they're changing the -- proposing to change the zoning map, and they brought the  
same request back to you three times in the same year, that would not be allowed.  
For  
consolidation plat. So that was one lot with the site that you see there. Then they  
came back with two 100-foot lots. That was denied. So now it's three lots. So, do  
controversy associated  
a plat, I mean, clearly Council spoke on the first version of this, which was a  
I
see those as different requests. Recognize that there's  
with them.  
a
THOMAS: So if passed, these ordinances would create three legal lots on which  
development can be permitted to take place. What is there right now? Are there  
any legal lots within this 1.05 acres on which development can take place -- can be  
permitted and take place?  
TEDDY: No, within this site -- these are -- been modified by some old deed  
transfers, so the lots have been modified. The original Fyfer’s lots were  
approximately 70 feet width. There are four lots on the east end of this block,  
actually two of them are together in that ravine area, but there are four lots that  
preserve that 70 foot dimension. And then also on the north end of this block,  
across the alley on Anthony there, you find,  
pretty much intact from when it was Fyfer’s Subdivision, but -- we require this now,  
in multi-family district, when we see lots have been adjusted by just deeds,  
I think, -- there's four lots that are  
a
transferring pieces of property.  
THOMAS: Okay.  
TEDDY: And, the reason is you try to avoid either creating  
kind of transfers or something that's substandard.  
a superlot through some  
THOMAS: Basically land has transferred in ownership through private deals that  
have not been recorded by the City.  
TEDDY: Right. It's way to modernize the description of the property. There’ll be an  
easement across the front of the property. There's small alley dedication, 2 1/2  
feet -- that's in keeping with our new standard, which is to have residential alleys  
just bit wider than 15 feet. And then, standards for the description of the property  
a
a
a
are much better on a modern plat.  
THOMAS: So, at the present time, it is not possible --  
without doing a replat like  
this, it is not possible for the owner of this land to get a permit to build anything on  
any of this land.  
TEDDY: Yes, that's a prerequisite to building.  
THOMAS: Okay. So this would create three lots about 67 feet wide. What are the  
widths of the other lots along the north side of University?  
TEDDY: The other widths -- I think it varies. The ones that are 70 are to the east, but  
I'd have to look at the -- they're similar in width.  
I know one consolidation that  
resulted in 100 feet. That's there, but again, that's to consolidate, and that's part of  
this request.  
THOMAS: And,  
width of 60 feet.  
I think I saw in the notes somewhere that there's a minimum lot  
TEDDY: Yeah, that’s right. Lots that are newly created, 60 feet in width.  
THOMAS: That’s part of the zoning district, R-MF requires that.  
TEDDY: Right. That's actually our single-family width standard. Now, there is  
a
provision that if lots are legally created prior to the effective date of the ordinance,  
and they happen to be smaller -- you know, in other words there’s an old  
subdivision -- those lots are considered legal and legal lots of record. There are  
some examples of this in East Campus on Rosemary, for example, there’s some 50  
or close to 50 foot lots. Farther west on University block or two --  
THOMAS: But at this time in order --  
TEDDY: So, a few examples of lots that are intact from an old subdivision.  
THOMAS: Because this has zoning district R-MF, in order for this to be developable,  
then the lots have to be at least 60 feet wide.  
TEDDY: That’s what our code says  
THOMAS: And then, what are the setback requirements for buildings on these lots?  
TEDDY: Well, it’s -- in this particular case, there's going to be  
a deep front lawn. I  
was going to say, normally, it's 25 feet minimum in multi-family district. It will be  
a
50, close to 55 feet, to match the existing fronts of the houses. That's an averaging  
of neighboring -- you can see it's pretty uniform on that north side of the block. You  
do have kind of the opposite condition on the south side of University but -- so  
there would be a similar averaging there.  
THOMAS: What about the side setbacks.  
TEDDY: Sides are 10 for multi-family, and then 25 in the rear.  
THOMAS: 25 in the rear, and the owner -- if this is passed, the owner wouldn't be  
able to build a single building across these new lot lines.  
TEDDY: No, we don't permit that anymore. So, what you're going to get are  
buildings separated by side yards.  
THOMAS: Now, are there any form requirements on the buildings that are built in  
terms of architecture, windows, building materials, height --  
TEDDY: There are some things -- there's what's called use specific standards for  
multiple-family. Use specific standards for multiple-family -- so there are some  
requirements for some articulation of the building. Entrances facing the street,  
certain amount of modest embellishment of the front door, so it stands out little  
bit. If it's longer building, there's requirements for some articulation of the  
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facade. In East Campus, there has to be a pitch roof, 4/12 pitch roof, so not a terribly  
steep roof, but a flat roof would not be permitted.  
THOMAS: In general terms, how to the foam requirements compare with the form  
requirements in M-DT downtown.  
TEDDY: It's not a form district so not as detailed as all that.  
THOMAS: Would it be theoretically possible to create an overlay that required form  
standards that matched in some way that historic nature of the buildings already on  
the street?  
TEDDY: Yeah,  
I
wanted to continue that there are  
a
couple other parts of the  
ordinance besides the so called use specific standards. There’s the design  
guidelines, again, it's similar -- required features on facades basically is what the  
Code is saying so that there is some interest. There's not  
of a building facing a street, you know, or a neighbor that kind of thing. So we have  
those, but, yeah, think, an overlay to work in the same way the downtown form  
think you'd want to involve the entire block if not the entire  
a flat and featureless side  
I
base district does --  
neighborhood in that.  
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THOMAS: But, theoretically --  
TEDDY: Because you don't really do that on a on a street segment basis.  
THOMAS: No, understand that. But that is something that could theoretically  
happen. Okay, I think that's all my questions for now.  
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SKALA:  
been  
I
just had  
a
question. It occurs to me that in this R-MF setting, there have  
in another neighborhood, in Benton Stephens  
some circumstances  
neighborhood, whereby -- and we've talked about not being able to cross lot lines  
and so on with the building footprints and the setbacks -- but there have been  
some occurrences in that neighborhood where there was two buildings built on the  
same lot, just one in front of the other. And in this case -- is that is that permissive  
in this circumstance -- where there could be two buildings built on each of these  
three lots?  
TEDDY: Yeah, I don't think there's anything -- if it's owned by the same party, I don't  
think there's an issue with that. If it were to be subdivided, you would have issues  
because of --  
SKALA: Right, as long as the setbacks are appropriate, there could be more than one  
building on these lots.  
TEDDY: Yeah, parking has to be accommodated here too. I mean, there’s not just the  
building envelope depending on how many bedrooms are put into the residential  
dwelling units, there’ll be onsite parking required.  
SKALA: Thank you.  
PITZER: So  
a couple of questions. So right now, there is -- looks like approximately  
like 100 foot wide lot and then two 50 foot lots -- is that roughly right?  
TEDDY: Yeah, that's if you look at how the parcels have been rearranged. Yes, sir.  
PITZER: So on the 100-foot lot, which meets the minimum width requirement -- that  
would -- so just that one lot -- would that -- that would still have to go through the  
platting process?  
TEDDY: It would, yes,  
PITZER: And would that be -- since that isn't changing in size or nature or anything --  
would that be an administrative process or would it come to the Council?  
TEDDY: We had sent something very similar back to the Council on that.  
PITZER: It was just the one.  
TEDDY: -- the 100 foot.  
PITZER: But not the combining of lots. It’s just the one as is.  
TEDDY: Yeah, that was one of the two 100 foot lots that the Council last saw was  
doing just that. So yeah, I would think I'd bring it back to the Council.  
PITZER: Okay, and then my other question is probably for Nancy. On this -- the  
clause in the regulations that Mr. Teddy referenced -- that third one about the  
approval of a replat is to subject to Council finding that the replat is not detrimental  
to other properties in the neighborhood. Could you just tell me or explain where  
that language comes from -- what the origin of it is? Is that common for, you know,  
any replatting ordinance, like in Missouri -- and just kind of the legal basis for that?  
THOMPSON: So,  
I don't know that it's uncommon. I don't know that I can give you  
really an analysis of how often you would see that kind of language. And I think the  
focus of that language, because it's in the platting -- it deals with a plat -- is -- when  
it says it's not detrimental to the neighborhood, it's the layout of the lot that's not  
detrimental. It's not the underlying use. It's not -- this isn't  
a zoning decision. And  
you'll often see that similar language in zoning decisions so it can kind of be  
confusing or kind of turning into a diversion of the conversation. So, I would say just  
focus on that on the layout of the lot.  
PITZER: Have there been any court cases that you're aware of that defines more  
precisely the use of the word detrimental in this case?  
THOMPSON: Not in this kind of case. I'm not familiar with that. There are cases out  
there that talk about factors for consideration of various land use actions. And  
I
think you all have been provided with some documents from kind of attorneys on  
both sides of this issue, but none of them are specifically related to platting  
actions. The Guffy case that is cited is  
a special use permit where there is much  
more -- there are many more discretionary factors for the Council to consider.  
PITZER: And then -- so Mr. Teddy was saying that some of the other lots in the area  
are sort of that 70 foot width or maybe a bit less. So, and we're talking about 66-67  
foot width lots. So if  
a lot was substantially similar to the other lots all around it,  
could that be -- could it still be considered detrimental, or what would we have to  
figure to find that it was detrimental if it was similar to everything around it?  
THOMPSON: I'm going to leave that up to you to determine tonight after you’ve  
listened to all of the testimony that you hear from various parties. That is that is  
part of the decision-making process based on the facts.  
PITZER; Okay, that’s all I have right now.  
PETERS: Mr. Teddy. My question is just -- for 50 foot lot, which there is one right  
next door to what they're trying to replat and there two or three across the street, I  
mean, directly across the street -- some of the others might be 70 feet, but  
I know  
of at least three lots that are 50 feet. If it's only 50 feet then R-MF does not apply  
and they cannot develop that property as an R-MF property?  
TEDDY: Yeah, it has substandard width as well as it was never part of a plat as a 50  
foot lot, other than, there were transfers away from the original 70 foot lot to  
create that site.  
PETERS: So, a 50 foot wide lot can only be single-family or a duplex?  
TEDDY: They would have to -- well, they'd have to get  
width. We used to have it in our ordinance that any lot that had been created prior  
to the effective date of the zoning ordinance could be recognized as legal lot so  
long as it wasn't modified during the period that the time the zoning ordinance was  
effective. It could be built on with single-family home. Right now we have  
a variance to reduce the  
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a
a
provision that if it's recognized as a legal lot and it's less than 60 foot, it can be used  
for any purpose that's allowed by the district so long as it fits. So it'd be subject to  
all of the, you know, basically the site and structure provisions. But in this particular  
case, it's not a lot of record so they would have to go through a platting process, and  
if they wanted, for example, to do two 50 foot lots and one 100, those two 50s  
would be subject to requested zoning variances.  
PETERS: Okay, thank you.  
THOMAS: So if they were to get a legal lot of 50 foot wide -- the zoning districts is  
currently R-MF. Does R-MF allow single-family by right?  
TEDDY: Yeah, it's allowed. It's an allowed. One could voluntarily build  
single-family home.  
a
THOMAS: To build  
a
single-family home wouldn't require any further action other  
than just making that 50 foot lot a legal lot.  
TEDDY: Right, through the appropriate process.  
THOMAS: -- which is basically the same as this, but with just different dimensions.  
TEDDY: You’d have to get a lot width variance. Recognize that [inaudible].  
THOMAS: And then how many dwelling units allowed in a single building in R-MF?  
TEDDY: With the dimensions that are proposed here, each lot could have up to six  
units dividing the lot area by 2,500 square feet -- that's lot area per dwelling unit.  
THOMAS: So, six dwelling units. I'm trying to translate that to number of people.  
TEDDY: And, that’s going to depend on what the capacity is in bedrooms. And then  
that will, in turn, require  
a certain amount of parking spaces. We require more for  
three and four bedroom apartments than we do for one and two.  
THOMAS: So, there could possibly be six, three or four bedroom apartments in  
single building on a 70 or 67 foot wide lot.  
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TEDDY: Yeah, if they can get it all to work. I mean, these are -- I would just point out  
these are deep lots. A lot of the residential lots we see are well less than 200 feet,  
and here you have over 220 feet in depth.  
THOMAS: And, what's the height limit in R-MF?  
TEDDY: It’s 35 feet -- that's measured to the median point from what they call  
grade plain. And then, we do have provision that because there's an R-2 zoned  
house that sits east of it -- unless building was backed 20 feet off of that shared  
a
a
a
lot line -- that house would have to be 24 feet in height, so two-story basically.  
THOMAS: Okay, because it’s against another zoning district even though it's  
a single  
lot zoning district.  
TEDDY: Yeah.  
THOMAS: Alright, thanks, Tim.  
Robert Hollis, David Butcher, Ann Mehn, Marvin Tofle, Ron Haffey, Cindy  
Neagle, Janet Hammen, Ruth Tofle, Clark Odor, Cecile Bentley, Clyde  
Bentley, Peter Norgard, and Rick Shanker spoke. Robert Hollis and Ann  
Mehr provided handouts as well.  
HOLLIS: [Handout provided to the Council by Robert Hollis.] Good evening, Robert  
Hollis, the Van Matre Law Firm, 1103 East Broadway. Here on behalf of the  
applicant. Also, here is David Butcher from Crockett Engineering, who's  
a
surveyor,  
as well as Justin Naydyhor, representative of the applicant. quick overview --  
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and some of this you've already gone through -- this is required. We are here  
because we are required to be here. I'm not sure that I have time to get into the 50  
foot lot questions that were asked, but  
they would not be legal lots without going to the process, the  
obtaining variances. So they just would not be legal under any circumstances as 50  
foot lots without variances. As will show you, the lot widths are essentially -- that  
I
think the short answer is that no you --  
entire process, of  
I
are being proposed -- are essentially the same as that currently exist. I've broken  
this down into lots that are -- 22 lots that were part of the original subdivision. Here  
you can see the plat from 1907. I’ve zoomed in to show you that most of the lots  
were about 70 feet. We're dealing with part of 15, part of 16, part of 17, and part of  
18, to be three lots now. Here's an aerial of the subdivision showing the exact same  
view as you saw before. The next slide is the width of each and every lot of the 22  
lots, which are actually more than 22 lots because some of them have been  
subdivided. Without getting into all of this for lack of time, the average lot width is  
65.72 feet. That's for the 22 lots. We’re proposing lots that are 66.82 feet -- almost  
identical to the lots remaining in the neighborhood. Here's one showing the rough  
depiction of what the existing lots look like. Next one is -- here's what it would look  
like with what was proposed. That's required. Next, this just is  
a depiction showing  
all of the lot widths followed by what the lot widths would be -- 100, 50, and 50 --  
now 66.822, 66.82, and 66.82. The three criteria I'd like to focus on -- the third one --  
and Mr. Butcher will focus on the next one. To apply the criteria, you are acting  
administratively, and let me be clear, you do have discretion. You have discretion  
to determine whether or not this plat meets the requirements. If you decide that,  
that's when you lose discretion, but you certainly have discretion in making that  
decision. That discretion -- the criteria under which you operate for establish -- or --  
utilizing that discretion cannot be too general. It cannot effectively rezone the  
property by denying the plat. And here's a quote from the case that’s on point, “the  
law does not permit administrative bodies to exercise arbitrary and subjective  
authority over the granting or denying of subdivision plats.”  
I
would submit this  
replat it is not detrimental, and I'm not sure how you could find it being  
detrimental, given the fact that if you focus only on the plat, and it meets all the  
other requirements of the plat, you're really left with looking at the size of the lot.  
And the size of the lot is the same as the size as all of the other lots, essentially.  
And, if that's the case, then all of the lots that exist are equally detrimental. If that’s  
your finding, I'm not sure how that's anything but arbitrary. Finishing -- in summary,  
we have to be here. We can't get  
a building permit effectively. We cannot use the  
property without being here and going through the platting process. To replat an  
area that has three existing -- we'll call them lots, although they're not legal lots --  
into three lots that are the same size as the remaining neighborhood lots, is the  
best we can do. I'm not sure what else you would have us do in order to utilize  
property within the City of Columbia. To not approve this would be to effectively  
condemned/rezone/call it what you will --  
a
taking of the property -- because it is  
decision is not  
not permitted to be used. Either way, in my opinion, such  
a
permissible under Missouri law. David Butcher is here. In the meantime, I'd be  
happy to answer any questions you have.  
BUTCHER:  
Nifong. Thanks for giving me  
two items that are important to meet the platting requirements through the  
ordinance. Robert touched quite well on Section 3. want to talk on the other two  
items, which is -- resubdivision would not eliminate the restrictions.  
sections in gray are the sections that  
Council  
Members,  
David  
Butcher,  
Crockett  
Engineering,  
1000 West  
a
few minutes here.  
I
wanted to talk about the other  
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So, the two  
I
would like to talk about. Resubdivision would  
not eliminate any restrictions that were previously relied upon, so the plat that was  
created in 1907 had some things, items, some material things that were granted the  
City of Columbia -- city rights-of-ways, alleyways, things of that nature. I'm here to  
tell you that by replating this, we would not be taking away any -- anything that the  
City already has granted to them or that -- what other people in the neighborhood  
relied on. In fact, we're going to grant more right away, and in fact, give easements  
to the City in exchange for platting. The second thing I need to talk about is utilities.  
We need to make sure that there's adequate utilities on the site in order to  
subdivide. Currently, it had three homes on it. It has houses up and down the block.  
It's developed street -- it's fully developed. There are fire hydrants in place,  
there’s water lines, there's electrical lines -- everything's in place to facilitate the  
development that is needed here. Whether it's single-family home or it's 15-16  
homes -- units -- whether it's 15-16 units, whatever the maximum development is  
possible -- the potential is, we have all the utilities in place. And here's couple of  
notices to serve, think from the utility providers that proves that the utilities are  
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already in place to facilitate the development. Basically, we think we meet all three  
requirements needed to plat under the City’s regulations.  
MEHR: My name is Anne Mehr. I live at 714 Ingleside Drive in East Campus, and I'm  
speaking tonight on behalf of the East Campus Neighborhood Association. In that  
capacity, I've been delegated to offer records and testimony presented in  
connection with the first two applications to replat the Fyfer’s Subdivision. These  
were heard by the Council on May 17 and August 2 of this year. We request that all  
such records and testimony be made part of the record in case B356, B357, and B358.  
[Handouts were provided.] Tonight I’m speaking on behalf of Kathy Love, who lives  
in the 1600 block, but was unable to be here. The East Campus Neighborhood  
Association Board has again voted unanimously to oppose the replat of the three  
lots on University Avenue for the purpose of constructing three apartment  
buildings to house up to 72 students. This is the third time the neighborhood  
association has addressed you about the request to build apartment buildings at  
this location, and I'll briefly summarize the two previous meetings. May 17, the  
developer requested to replat three parcels into one, to demolish the William C.  
Knight house, to construct one or possibly two apartment buildings of 14 to 18 units  
each to house 56 or more students. August 2, the developer requested to replat  
three parcels into two, to demolish the William C. Knight House, to construct two  
apartment buildings to house up to 48 students. Today, the developer requests to  
replat three parcels to create three equal parcels, to demolish the William C. Knight  
house, to construct three apartment buildings,  
three stories tall to house up to 72  
students and 72 cars. In summary, this is the third time the City Council has had to  
hear the developer’s request to construct apartments in the 1600 block of  
University Avenue. This is the third time the neighbors have come together to  
oppose it. More than 15 people have appeared before you to oppose, more than 20  
letters have been sent in opposition. We're opposed to the requests because the  
proposed  
neighborhood for the following reasons, it lowers property values, it's not in  
keeping with historic architecture, it demolishes home included in the East  
development  
is  
detrimental  
to  
the  
adjoining  
properties  
and  
the  
a
Campus National Historic District, it adds to traffic congestion, creates danger for  
pedestrians and cyclists, sets precedent for Columbia and the neighborhood,  
creates more trash and noise problems, and adds to existing parking problems. It  
contributes to pollution of Moss and Hinkson Creeks, adds impervious surfaces that  
contribute to flooding, adds to police responsibility and incidents. The density  
detracts from the sense of community. It more than doubles the population of the  
north 1600 block, detracts from the livability of East Campus. The density increases  
instances of crime and the neighbors have no control over the design. The latter  
points out  
a
frustration on the part the neighbors. After repeated meetings with  
the developer, we have yet to learn about the design of the proposed construction  
-- could look like this or this -- it could be anything. East Campus is a neighborhood  
of single family homes and house-like apartments such as these. We love East  
Campus with its history, the diversity, proximity to downtown and the University,  
and the sense of community. This sense of community depends on  
a
balance  
between permanent and temporary residents. We view this continuing request to  
build yet more student housing on iconic University Avenue as threat to this  
a
balance, the history, the character and the quality of life in our neighborhood.  
Thank you for once again considering the issue at hand. Please continue to support  
the character of Columbia neighborhoods by voting no on this request.  
TREECE: Ms. Mehr, one question. Do the proposed plat would eliminate restrictions  
on the existing plat that you as a neighboring property owner have relied upon?  
MEHR: I think we count on you guys to keep that balance. It's so important. I mean I  
can't imagine 72 more bodies and cars on University in that block.  
TOFLE: Mr. Mayor, my name is Marvin Tofle.  
I reside at 1805 Cliff Drive with my  
wife. We've lived there since 1998. I just want to start by showing you this diagram.  
This is a diagram that Phebe La Mar showed us last time we were here, and, at that  
time, she told us that -- and I sent you all a letter where I went through the video  
over and over and over to get her exact words -- that time she told us that if they  
didn't get the -- what they were asking for last time, then they would come back  
again and ask for three similarly sized lots. That's the 60-something foot lots. And  
she had  
a diagram where you can see that Mr. Naydyhor has indicated that this  
proposal would have three separate lots consisting of 62 beds, 15-16 units, and they  
would be three story buildings. So, we know what is anticipated because this is  
exactly what Phebe told us would happen, and it is now happening. So Mr. Hollis  
came to our neighborhood meeting, and  
I
asked him at that time -- since the  
developers had been denied twice already, why didn't they come back and  
substantially scale back their proposal? And he told me the reason was that the  
Council has no authority to deny  
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replat. It’s ministerial and any issues such as  
density, infrastructure, what buildings look like, anything else, are irrelevant. And  
if you don't apply the three standards set out in Section 29.5, then those questions  
will never be asked. There is no procedure, no place where that would ever come  
up. As you'll see, here’s 29.5(d)(4), which I've mentioned over and over, but as  
you'll see it says  
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replat shall only be approved by the Council if the Council  
determines these three things, is it in the public interest, is there adequate  
infrastructure, and is it detrimental? And it is the person that was requesting this --  
they say they have to be here. Well, they filed this and they have to prove it. It's  
not up to us to prove it or you to prove it. It's up to them to prove it. Have they  
proved these things? I don't think so. And I would like to say that they -- they say  
that they've tried every possible configuration. Well,  
submitted the same plan in different configurations, but at the end of the day, it's  
just the same plan, and they're trying to make this choice between either  
allowing them to build large apartment complex or saying that they have no use  
of their property, which is the last thing. They have -- there are already buildings on  
the property. They tore down building on one of these lots. There's plenty there.  
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would say that they have  
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And if they had a proposal, other than this 64 bed proposal, which could be up to 72  
if you unleash this -- you know, we don't mind. We're happy. We're happy with  
what's there now. So, anyway, thank you for your consideration.  
TREECE: So, Mr. Tofle, your legal opinion is the ministerial judgment of this Council  
only applies in the absence of a standard.  
TOFLE: Exactly  
TREECE: And 29.5(d)(4) is the three additional standards that courts rely upon in  
order for councils to exercise their discretion.  
TOFLE: Yes.  
not like a zoning case or this case or -- you could easily say it's a filling station case.  
It is case about what power the Council has to promote the goals of its  
I couldn't disagree with Ms. Thompson more, in all due respect. This is  
a
comprehensive zoning ordinance. And, if  
I may, the court said Section 13 -- that was  
the Webster Groves Section in 1957 -- so this is common. This is used all over.  
TREECE: That’s still good case law from 1957  
TOFLE: It is the controlling case law. Mr. Hollis cited the Schaefer case. The Schaefer  
case says, this is consistent with the Guffey case. It’s consistent because has to be  
consistent. The Guffey case is  
a
Supreme Court case. All Missouri cases of lower  
courts, like the courts of appeals, like his case, have to be consistent with the  
Supreme Court. They cannot be otherwise. So, the Section 13 in Webster Grove  
said, we think the procedure prescribed by Section 13, reasonably interpreted, is  
sufficient to provide against the exercises of arbitrary and uncontrolled discretion  
by the city council. Section 13 prescribes the procedure for determining and  
requires the city council to determine whether the location and use of  
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filling  
station would or would not promote the health, safety, morals, or general welfare  
of the community by determining specifically whether such location or use would  
or would not  
adversely affect the character of the neighborhood, traffic conditions,  
public utility facilities, and other matters pertaining to the general welfare. It  
requires that such determination be made upon evidence and facts adduced before  
it. So, then they say we conclude, therefore and so hold, that the legislative  
discretion so delegated to the council is sufficiently circumscribed to require that  
discretion to be reasonably, not arbitrarily, exercised. So these are what they call  
the standards. There’re just three more requirements.  
TREECE: Do you think the replat is in the best interest of the public?  
TOFLE: No, I don’t.  
TREECE: Do you think adding 64 to 72 new beds on each of the lots would have an  
adverse effect on infrastructure?  
TOFLE: You know, what  
know, the look on the ground and say, can this neighborhood absorb this? Can they  
support this? We can't support, you know, big apartment complex of students like  
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think is that this Section 29.5 requires you to see, you  
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this. We don't have parking. You know, there's lots of calls to the police and the  
police are busy, you know, especially on the weekends. There's noise, there's other  
things, and it's not that we don't like getting along with students, you know. That's  
not the problem. It's just the problem is when you have  
a complex that's going to  
be this big, it just increases the issues, you know, multiple times and so. You asked  
earlier, do we rely on this, and I think Mrs. Mehr said that we rely on you. I think  
you are -- you know, it's your job to enforce these, to look at the situation and say,  
can this neighborhood support this kind of thing? So, you can't just avoid scrutiny by  
saying, well, we're not proposing any particular number. We know the number  
from last time and we know even if there was no number that if you approve it,  
then you're authorizing up to 72 beds. I mean, there's no other way to look at it.  
SKALA:  
Just one question, and that is -- would you agree that the exception to  
ministerial acts, such as this would include the potential for public safety?  
TOFLE: Oh, yes. I mean, public safety is -- well, if I understand what you're saying -- I  
mean, there has to be an infrastructure, and so police, other things in the  
neighborhood.  
I mean, if I understand what you’re saying, that is public safety. That  
is something that you have to decide that there is adequate public safety. You have  
to decide it from the evidence presented by the people that are bringing this forth.  
They’re not just here. He said they just have to be here. They have to be here  
because they have to prove these things. You want to know what's detrimental or  
not. They have to prove, they don’t have to prove -- we don't have to prove it's  
detrimental. They have to prove it's not detrimental. That's their job. So, yes.  
SKALA: Yeah, It's just been my observation that this body or a body like this with a  
different cast of characters, if you will, has in fact voted against ministerial actions  
because of issues of public safety. That is egress and ingress, those kinds of issues,  
traffic.  
TOFLE: And  
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think there are cases in the East Campus where the Council has  
refused a replat in the past.  
HAFFEY: Hi, my name is Ron Haffey.  
I
live at 1805 University Avenue. I've lived there  
don’t consider this neighborhood to be  
for 35 years.  
I
love this neighborhood.  
I
restricted to 22 plots down on the 1600 block. That plot is nine houses or nine lots  
from my house. My yard is 275 feet deep, and my neighbors are staggered. So, we  
all have huge lots. We bought into this historic neighborhood because of the look  
and feel of the neighborhood, and  
we rely on your judgment. We understand, I understand 29.5, and I don't think this  
plot request covers all of those. don't think it should be approved because don't  
I would say, will rely on the city ordinances and  
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think it meets all that criteria. We're permanent residents. We need you to regulate  
development. If you know anything about East Campus neighborhood, you know  
it's hugely developed, and  
sense of priority and common sense in this process.  
interest. don't see cry for more rental property in the East Campus  
neighborhood. It’s just -- there's plenty of vacancies there. And if we have  
housing shortage in East Campus neighborhood it’s for single-family houses.  
know we've had people try to move into  
limited options there. As far as infrastructure, I'm not an engineer, and  
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think it's way overdeveloped, and we got to have some  
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what the engineer says, but if you want to drive down University Avenue, you'll see  
we do have physical structure problems -- curbs, streets, and especially sidewalks  
but,  
have spoken to -- the trash collection, the noise, the increased police call outs for  
nuisance parties. But think it's interesting -- in the staff report that said although  
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think the main infrastructure problem, is the compliance structure as some  
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there's no apparent immediate infrastructure concerns -- the statement is in there  
that taxpayers could begin paying in two years to maintain and support any adverse  
effects on infrastructure.  
killer standard -- should not be detrimental to other properties.  
are right next door to this. I'm 9 plots away, and I can tell you it will be detrimental  
to our residential property. So, would ask that Council, first and foremost, do no  
harm. I think this is the same request again and again by the developer. I think the  
aim is to maximize income, and think there's great potential adverse outcomes,  
I
think that's  
a
pretty short timeline. But three,  
I think is a  
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know the Love’s  
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and I'd ask you to deny -- I would ask you to deny this request again. Thank you.  
NEAGLE: Mayor, Members of Council, Cindy Neagle, 1836 Cliff Drive.  
I
want to  
address this issue of lot use and restrictions, and  
with the contention that there is nothing that these applicants can do with the  
properties as they're currently configured. They have number of options. They can  
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want to respectfully disagree  
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certainly continue to use the house that exists on the property now. That would be  
my preference. I love Party House. I like to drive by and see what's going on there.  
But, they can build an addition behind that house, they could request variances as  
has been discussed, they could possibly build cottages with  
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variance on those  
properties. they could submit planned development for the properties, but  
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think what's most instructive is that our East Campus overlay provides some insight  
into the type of development that’s contemplated for lots that are smaller than 60  
feet. When residents and landlords came together nearly 20 years ago to start  
working on the overlay, they contemplated that there were mixed sizes of lots  
within our neighborhood, some large, some small, but there are  
a number of these  
smaller 50 foot lots in our neighborhood. That process was long and contentious as  
you might expect from anything coming out of East Campus, but one thing that they  
did agree upon was that there should be a plan for these smaller lots, and that was  
included within our overlay -- how 50 foot lots could be developed. I'll say that the  
interpretation now in place of what constitutes  
a
legal lot has essentially gutted  
that provision in our overlay and made it essentially worthless. So I'd like to know,  
you know, if I own just one of these 50 foot lots, are you saying -- or is somebody is  
saying -- staff saying that I wouldn't be able to do use them, or develop them, or to  
build a house on them, or even a small rental property? I disagree -- of course not.  
I’ve outlined  
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number of options that are available to this developer. They  
the lot size, knowing what could be  
purchased these properties knowing  
developed upon them, and the restrictions imposed by the zoning code on their lot  
size and what could be done. You know, the fact is they may not like those, they  
may not prefer those, but that's what's available to them given the size of the lots  
as they're now configured. That they want to develop them in  
not entitle them to do so, and that's the very purpose of zoning and lot size  
restrictions for neighborhoods. We live in neighborhood, and neighborhoods that  
a certain way does  
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have R-MF zoning within them have very few protections. This is one of those  
protections that they -- we’re coming to you and asking you to please, you know,  
exercise your discretion and help protect our neighborhood by not approving this  
reply request. Thank you.  
HAMMEN: Janet Hammen, 1844 Cliff Drive. And,  
I
was going to talk about when  
I
moved into the neighborhood in 1977, and don't worry, I wasn't going to go year by  
year, but talk about all the different things that we had accomplished and proposed  
and opposed and promoted. But after hearing some of this,  
I
felt it was maybe  
important to talk about actually what our overlay zoning districts says, and Cindy  
touched on it. But the preamble for the zoning overlay district say, in case of  
conflict between the provisions of the overlay zone district and an underlying base  
zoning district, the provisions of the overlay zoning district shall apply. And the  
purpose of these overlay districts are to maintain neighborhood character and  
integrity  
environment, the enhancement of physical, social, and economic resources, and  
the accommodation of desirable change. So what does the East Campus  
by  
focusing  
special  
attention  
on  
the  
maintenance  
of  
physical  
Conservation Overlay say? In one place, it says two, or new two or more story  
structures on small R-MF legal lots, excluding basement, duplex, and multiple  
family -- they can be excluding the basement -- multiple family structures built  
after the passage of the East Campus Urban Conservation District on legal lots  
established before January 1, 2002, less than 60 feet wide at the building line in  
district R-MF may be constructed either in accordance with the standards of Chapter  
29 of the City Code or in accordance with the following standards. And the  
following standards say that they could put in four -- no more than four bedrooms  
or no more than four dwelling units, which means, four one-bedroom apartments  
or  
submit that this should take precedence over the zoning code, and later in our new  
UDC, there is provision that states for undersize lots, which 50 foot lot is, you  
a studio apartments, and then it goes on and talks about parking in there. But I  
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can go to the Board, which is the Board of Adjustment, and ask for a variance. And I  
contend that both of those provisions make these absolutely lots that can be used,  
and that this developer does have opportunity for those lots, and as Cindy said, for  
the 100 foot lot to build on and so on. So thank you.  
I hope you've enjoyed the  
slideshow -- it’s just 40 houses from within the East Campus neighborhood and it  
was taken from -- in 1995 -- these are all black and white pictures from then -- from  
the Historic Register nomination form and indeed the actual nomination. So,  
I
was  
going to talk about that a little more, but instead you get this other. Thank you.  
TOFLE:  
am  
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council Members. My name is Ruth Tofle.  
homeowner residing at 1805 Cliff Drive and landlord of 1801 Cliff Drive. I'm  
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am LEED accredited professional.  
basis of ecological damage being detrimental to our neighborhood and public  
interest. It is known fact that more vehicles, parking, and impervious surfaces  
leads to stormwater problems. The East Campus neighborhood already has high  
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number of vehicles belonging to renters according to the most recent census. Of  
about 2000 vehicles, 1700 belong to renters. This does not include street parking for  
others attending and working at the University. Even with  
18.6 percent as recorded at the census, there is high parking demand. Simply  
stated, high density housing means more people and more cars and more parking.  
The formula of 2.4 cars per household clearly does not hold true among student  
population wanting their wheels. Furthermore, development leads to less  
greening and shade with tree removal. There is more urban heat. In the literature,  
even the popular literature of the National Geographic, we know tree canopy  
tree canopy and cooler  
temperatures. In this  
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reflects urban inequity. Desirable neighbohoods have  
temperatures. Less desirable neighborhoods have  
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hotter  
quote from the National Geographic, “a city’s tree canopy can be considered  
infrastructure, much like sewer system or street grid.” In summary, vote no to this  
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replat. Too many cars, high density housing, impervious surfaces, and the tree  
removal leads to stormwater problems, urban heat, and overall detriment the East  
Campus neighborhood and public interest. Thank you.  
ODOR: Hello, my name is Clark Odor.  
the neighborhood since 1929. The house that was torn down was where my mother  
lived as teenager. Dr. See was our family physician, delivered my younger brother  
and sister. We have a lot of history in the neighborhood. And even though I left and  
worked as an urban planner in Memphis, Tennessee, for 35 years, it's still -- feel  
like it’s my neighborhood, and came back to come home. My main concern about  
the neighborhood is the tearing down of the single-family homes and turning them  
into apartments, and what that will do to the infrastructure. I'm really not  
subdivision, zoning guy. I’m road guy. worry about traffic. worry about parking.  
I live at 1820 Cliff Drive. My family's lived in  
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Parking goes all the way to Rockhill Road, and if you add a lot more traffic and more  
apartments, you're going to have -- even further up the road and be by Jessie  
Wren’s house there at the previous speaker so that's not good. As far as safety’s  
concerned, the intersection, the key intersection of Ann Street and University is  
somewhat blind intersection, and you put more cars in there, people don’t go  
through rolling stops and the traffic that comes westbound on University over the  
little hill sometimes have -- has  
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little excitement when someone's pulling out  
from Ann Street. So more cars that this proposed development will cause just will  
make  
that  
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situation worse. The other infrastructure problems I'm concerned about  
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-- was in my letter -- there’s east-west box culvert that runs parallel to  
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Anthony, just on the north side of this proposed development, and back in 70’s an  
apartment building was built over the top of that. They had flash flood. Someone  
almost died in an apartment because of water coming in, and caused quite  
a bit of  
damage that night. I hope that that situation has been fixed in the previous, but it's  
been a long time since I crawled through that pipe as a child. But it definitely needs  
to be addressed. More runoff from this area would not make that situation any  
better. It’s my understanding that the big parking lot built at the hospital does not  
have stormwater retention -- that probably should have -- but it's not. So that's a lot  
of surface that wasn't there back when this was my paper route back in 60s. The  
really solution for this in the short term is planned unit development. They could  
come in today and build something on that property. There's nothing stopping  
them doing that. What's stopping is, they don't want to put in the small number of  
units that would allow under the existing situation. The  
should be planned unit development where you come in and you have all the  
setbacks, all the design, all the units, all architecture, so everybody knows exactly  
what's going to happen. The unknown is the scariest thing, and right now, there's  
- this is classic place that  
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lot of unknowns, and the high side is very scary. So really -- what really needs to be  
done is infrastructure study of -- you’ve got zoning and the most arbitrary thing  
that’s been done in the last 100 years was this blanket zoning to multi-family. And  
I
think what -- in my opinion what it was done was there was lot of retired  
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professors and widows that wanted to rent out their rooms to students, and under  
single-family, they really couldn't do it. No one envisioned that their house was  
going to be torn down and  
a little apartment building was going to take its place.  
That was not the feeling -- that why the City Council changed it, in my opinion, you  
know, 50 years ago. So I'm recommending that this be declined and really be sent  
back to Planning and Zoning as  
a planned development so everybody knows what’s  
going to go on and exactly, legally, what can be done. And other cases that come  
forward, probably needs to be the same way -- not this administrative process of  
just coming to City Council because it doesn't pass the smell test. It may be legal,  
but doesn't smell right, so any questions? And before  
I leave, I just want to thank  
everybody for their service, especially the ones that are not going to run again and  
those that are retiring, and I appreciate your service.  
BENTLEY: My name is Cecile Bentley. I live on Cliff Drive in the East Campus. I had a  
number of -- I'm not going to do the slides.  
talking lot about the details of what happens when it's  
increased density to this extent within neighborhood. The only thing  
out to you is that in 1917, or 2017 I mean, there was a parking survey conducted in  
East Campus. And don't know if you remember the results are that, but there was  
three day study and they looked at the number of cars that were parked in East  
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think we've been here long enough  
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Campus. And they decided -- determined that at any -- on any one day at any one  
time, there was negative additional capacity for parking. At that time, there were  
only probably 11 people who were tenants in the three properties that we’re  
talking about right now. Now we're talking about potentially seventy-two. So you  
know that if in 2017 there wasn't enough parking -- there was negative parking --  
you can tell what’s going to happen now. So, I do want to say one other thing and  
that is -- I’d like to thank so many neighbors and others for attending tonight, and  
I'd like just to have those people who are here on behalf of the opposition for -- to  
this replat to stand. [About 15 people stood.]  
BENTLEY: My name is Clyde Bentley and I'm -- I live at Cliff Drive, with her, in East  
Campus. I'm  
makes it kind of odd because I'm the one person without  
opposed to the replat though because think it diminishes the character of East  
Campus, and that in turn, I think, is a monetary threat to the City of Columbia. We  
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retired journalism professor from the University of Missouri, which  
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PowerPoint. I’m  
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just spent thousands of dollars to erect  
Columbia.  
a
gateway sign to welcome visitors to  
I'd argue, however, that the East Campus neighborhood is just as important to  
welcome people, not only visiting, but those who are considering the merits of  
living here.  
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served on  
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several national search committees at Mizzou and  
repeatedly ran into the same problem, while the reputation of the University of  
Missouri is attractive to academics, its location is much less attractive to the  
spouses and families. Their resistance to move into the middle of nowhere was  
a
formidable barrier. Luckily our ace in the hole is the family-friendly, middle  
America hometown appeal of Columbia. Our beautiful campus and the surrounding  
neighborhoods are almost  
a
postcard of what Americans dream  
tenuous brand statement however, and can easily be damaged  
and development. We’ve already seen the unintended  
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university town  
should be.  
by poor  
That's a  
planning  
consequences of modern planning and zoning. An attempt to streamline the  
modest development of downtown resulted in monstrous high-rise apartments  
that still shock residents and visitors alike. Make no mistake, I'm not against  
multi-family housing, but the vision many Americans have ahead of -- is not  
dense conglomeration of rent by the room dormitories, but smaller and kinder  
apartments that fit well into neighborhood. Think of perhaps the most famous  
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neighborhood apartment building in the United States, 122 Sesame Street -- 123  
Sesame Street. Bert and Ernie share two-story apartment building with just three  
other families and literally sing the praises of their neighborhood. This replat,  
however, would allow the developer to plop down 72 student bedrooms and their  
accompanying tangle of cars, parties, and noise. That's  
Americana. But -- denying the replat would put  
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far cry from classic  
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pause to this type of  
development -- allow the developer to build only smaller, less dense apartments in  
the place. But I'm going to ask you to go further. You've already authorized a citizen  
committee to review the Unified Development Code, which clearly does not  
provided adequate protections for Columbia's historical neighborhoods. Let's take  
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deep breath and let that committee do its work. We can wait for further  
development in those neighborhoods until we have the guidance from them to  
keep them for -- to what they are. They’re money in the pocket for Columbia. Thank  
you.  
NORGARD: Peter Norgard.  
I just have a couple of quick points. I saw in the staff  
report the following statement, while redevelopment of the proposed parcel will  
be impacted by the existing zoning entitlements, there are controls in place that  
are designed to protect adjoining developments.  
to that. Those of us who were around for the UDC know that the neighborhood  
protection standards were much stronger initially than they currently are, and lot  
of the impetus to water them down was from pressure from East Campus landlords  
and developers. So, strongly disagree that this replat will be beneficial for East  
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Campus or the City in general. And I would just point out there -- our experience in  
Benton Stephens with housing of this type, this size and scale, has not necessarily  
been beneficial for the neighborhood. We do have increased parking. Even though  
they're required to provide off-street parking, it's possible and common that their  
tenants don't use it. There are parties, there are nuisances, solid waste violations.  
We've even had a shooting. But a point that I would like to make is if the western  
most lot, the 100 foot lot is subdivided or replated to 67 feet, how close will the  
eastern extent of the structure be to the side lot line? Will you be creating  
a legal,  
or nonconformity, by replating that particular lot? don't have the answer to that  
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right now because I don't have a map in front of me, but I think it's a question worth  
asking and looking into. That’s all I have.  
SHANKER: Rick Shanker, 1829 Clift Drive.  
before -- that our neighborhood is represented by the East Campus and also the  
Traditionalist. In case I'm wrong, haven't seen anyone from the Traditionalists  
come before you to say yes or no about this project. Thank you.  
I want you to be aware -- I've said this  
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The Council asked further questions and made comments.  
SKALA: Let me just go on the record here. I'm convinced that there are a number of  
reasons why -- that there can be an exception to this replating process, two of  
which are listed in those -- in that graphic that came up as a slide. The first, in terms  
of the best interests of the public, and the third section had to do with detriment to  
the public benefit. There are two additional factors. One is --  
ministerial acts -- there are exceptions for public safety, and  
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think in terms of  
see some of the  
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issues here in terms of traffic and concomitant issues with respect to police  
protection and so on and so forth are one of those exceptions that the Council can  
exercise its discretion on. And the other, frankly, is an interesting one --  
I hadn't  
really considered it but it's important -- and that is the overlay, and some of the  
intent of some of the folks that put a lot of time in here. There are only a couple of  
overlays in this town. One is  
a rather relatively successful one in Benton Stephens,  
and the other is in East Campus. And I understand that some of the legal folks here  
will take exception to that, but nonetheless, I’ll hang my hat on the exception to  
public safety and vote no to deny this replat.  
PITZER: Yeah, so, you know,  
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voted against the first request, voted against the  
is combining the three lots -- you  
second request. Voted against the first one  
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know, it seemed out of scale with the neighborhood and those lot sizes. Voted  
against the two -- you know, again, seeming like it was out of scale. You know, we  
turn down the replat of the existing lot. So, there was existing 100 foot. There was  
no change to the dimensions or anything, and we voted down the replat of that. So,  
I, you know -- I'm a little bit concerned about what we're saying by voting this down  
because there are three existing lots going to three lots. They will be legal lots. You  
know, most of the testimony that we heard against this was related to the use of  
the land. You know, the discussion about not being able to support apartment  
complexes -- you know, the area already being heavily developed, the occupancy  
and the density of the proposal --  
than platting objections. So, you know,  
neighborhood, and understand, you know, where everybody's coming from. Dr.  
Mehr probably has more goodwill with me than anybody in the City, but I think that  
we're going down dangerous path by not allowing something that is completely  
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consistent with all the other lots -- with most of the other lots on that same block  
and in that neighborhood. And I'm just -- you know, I'm worried about where we're  
going. It's seems fairly arbitrary. There could be  
know -- for instance, in neighborhood that isn't as well organized, as well  
mobilized to come out to city council meetings, and, you know, we may not even  
think twice about that. So it does feel little bit arbitrary to deny this -- this  
replating action. And, you know, would expect that we’ll probably wind up in  
a
similar replat request, and you  
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court if we vote against it, you know, not unreasonably in my opinion either. So  
again, you know, I hear the concerns, but I just feel like we're going from three lots  
to three lots. It's entirely consistent with the other size lots in the -- on the block  
and in the neighborhood. And, you know, it just feels like the -- we've got the UDC,  
we’ve got the overlay district, you know, and the concerns and the objections are  
with that, you know, rather than the lot size and the platting action.  
THOMAS: Yeah,  
owner can do with the property right now.  
There was reference by number of speakers to  
Could you, Tim, just describe that process? Would that require  
I
have some questions for staff in just trying to understand what the  
seem to have heard conflicting opinion.  
planned unit development.  
platting action first  
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or not?  
TEDDY: No, planned development is  
a
zoning classification. So typically it’s  
requested by an individual that has a particular plan in mind.  
THOMAS: But would it require a platting action first?  
TEDDY: But yeah, it's  
a
possibility for this property, but that's not really something  
zoning  
that’s in our toolkit to impose on somebody. We could say that -- if  
a
classification that they are proposing isn't working, we could say, perhaps planned  
district would get a better outcome on this.  
THOMAS: Would it require a platting action first?  
TEDDY: No, it -- zoning’s independent of platting. It's  
also sale of real estate -- is platting.  
a
prerequisite to building and  
THOMAS: Would it require a creation of a legal lot or three legal lots?  
TEDDY: Not to file planned district. They could file  
a
a plan district based on the  
legal description of the property that they own and then it’s understood that  
process would follow that.  
a plat  
THOMAS: Oh, the other way around.  
TEDDY: Rewriting the rules in the context of  
certain challenges that have been expressed.  
a
particular site and trying address  
THOMAS: So you're saying that the two things will take place in the opposite order  
in that case. The zoning would be changed to  
platting would take place.  
a
planned district and then the  
TEDDY: Yeah, we don't require that property be platted as  
- imposing an alternate zoning application.  
a
prerequisite to zoning -  
THOMAS: Okay. Well, I'll just make  
higher densities, especially in the center of town. It creates much more efficient  
use of space and infrastructure, more of community experience forpeople. The  
big problem with it though, of course, is cars. And I think, you know, it's less about  
a few comments. I generally like to encourage  
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the number of people than it is about the number of cars, which occupy  
tremendous amount of space and create real problems. don't know -- that's  
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massive, you know, public health problem to deal with some kind of big picture  
changes in, you know, big policy and culture and so on, and something I think we all  
ought to be working hard on, but we are stuck with that. So, therefore, I think, you  
know, we should certainly moderate the densities.  
good outcome here somewhere. love the pictures that Janet showed of the  
existing buildings there. It reminded me of presentation that probably many of  
I
do think that there's probably  
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you went to a couple of years ago called Missing Middle Housing -- showing a lot of  
pretty large, sometimes attractive looking buildings, that often were apartment  
buildings with housing 8 or 10 or 12 people -- maybe not 72 on three lots. So that  
would be  
have very strong form standards to require the architecture to, you know, be  
attractive and fit in, but maybe that's somewhere we could get to with planned  
a good final outcome. One of the challenges with that is that we don't  
a
development -- that it would have to meet the approval on those sort of aesthetic  
grounds. So, it does seem to me that the owner has some other options now. It's  
very clear that the best outcome would be an agreement between the owner,  
developer, and the neighborhood, and  
never happen, but I've actually seen it happen over the last several years in quite  
few cases. So, I'm going to vote against the replat and encourage the owner to  
really try to work collaboratively on coming to some kind of agreement. don’t  
I think I used to think that that would just  
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I
know how that would be codified, but at the moment, there's no proper  
communication between the parties.  
FOWLER: I’m also going to vote against this replat and  
I want to give my comments  
specifically to -- it's not paragraph two, it's paragraph ii and paragraph iii -- about  
storm drainage issues and whether or not the replat would be detrimental to the  
other property in the neighborhood.  
intense amount of development in the North Village area, it caused the  
displacement of many people. And want to read portion of what one of my  
I live in North Central and when there was an  
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former neighbors, who then later moved to East Campus, wrote regarding her  
experiences, which were also my experiences. She writes, “My reasons for  
opposing this development in East Campus along University Ave are based on my  
personnel experiences in an all too similar situation.  
Drive downtown in the Orr Street area. bought my first home there, loved the  
area, and was happy there for almost 20 years. That is, was happy until the  
Brookside Apartments were built. The construction of Brookside Apartments  
I
previously lived on Hubbell  
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I
caused me to leave my beloved home due to storm water and trash issues.” Let me  
set aside the trash issues because we all seem to have way too many of those right  
now. “After Brookside was built, stormwater had no place to go and there were  
terrible problems. My basement and the basements of many of my neighbors were  
flooded because of the stormwater runoff. It caused  
a great deal of damage to my  
house and many of my neighbors’ houses. In addition, the development caused  
a
tremendous parking problem in the neighborhood. There was not enough parking  
to serve the Brookside residents. Our neighborhood was frequently overrun with  
people searching for on-street parking and longtime residents were frequently left  
searching for parking spots away from their homes.” Here’s the part that's the real  
kicker. “In response to the parking shortages, the landlords in the Orr Street  
neighborhood, including one of the developers of the University Avenue case,  
began paving over lots to create additional parking for their many tenants. The  
unintended consequence of this was, of course, the creation of more stormwater  
runoff that made the problem worse.”  
works and how that has impacted not only the neighborhood that  
the North Village area, but also other neighborhoods in town where I've watched  
this happen. And so, then when take that experience, which know is true and  
I
can't divorce my understanding of how that  
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live in, over in  
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real, not only where this neighbor lived, but in other places, and apply that to  
subparagraph ii and subparagraph iii, I come to the only conclusion I can, which is to  
vote no on this replat.  
B356-21 was given third reading by the City Clerk with the vote recorded as  
follows: VOTING YES: PITZER. VOTING NO: THOMAS, PETERS, TREECE, FOWLER,  
WANER, SKALA. Bill declared defeated.  
B357-21 was given third reading by the City Clerk with the vote recorded as  
follows: VOTING YES: PITZER. VOTING NO: THOMAS, PETERS, TREECE, FOWLER,  
WANER, SKALA. Bill declared defeated.  
B358-21 was given third reading by the City Clerk with the vote recorded as  
follows: VOTING YES: PITZER. VOTING NO: THOMAS, PETERS, TREECE, FOWLER,  
WANER, SKALA. Bill declared defeated.  
B371-21  
Authorizing a trial program for virtual meetings and virtual public  
participation for certain designated advisory boards and commissions.  
The bill was given second reading by the City Clerk.  
City Counselor Nancy Thompson provided a staff report, and the Council  
asked questions to which staff responded.  
THOMPSON: This is the ordinance that you requested come back to you on virtual  
meetings on  
a
trial basis.  
I
believe all the issues have been worked out. This has  
understand that they approve of  
been taken to the Disabilities Commission and  
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the draft as written, but if there's anybody here from Disabilities Commission, you  
can hear from them as well.  
TREECE: Do you know what other boards and commissions were asked to consider  
this, or were they all asked or?  
THOMPSON:  
They  
were  
not  
all  
asked.  
The  
Disabilities  
Commission  
identified  
boards and commissions to request, and  
Advisory Council, the Broadband, and Disabilities.  
SKALA: Correct.  
I
believe -- what do we have -- the Youth  
THOMPSON:  
The --  
I
believe the Visioning Commission was requested, and they  
did not have  
a
quorum to meet to determine whether or not they wanted to  
participate, so these are the ones that were selected for the trial.  
TREECE: Were any other commissions asked?  
THOMPSON: Not that I'm aware of. I don't know that answer.  
FOWLER: Mayor, I do know the answer to that. So, I -- first of all, I was a proponent  
of having  
that suggested that we try  
Board of Health, and they were unable to have  
a
much broader impact with this, and  
I
think it was Councilperson Peters  
trial. But they did approach the  
quorum in order to respond to  
a
smaller number for  
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that. I'm pleased to see that they found other boards and commissions, but we gave  
them the direction to look for three as and trial, and so they ended up asking -- well  
they’ve got three now and they asked at least two more who were unable to meet  
because of a quorum -- that would mean five that they asked, including their own.  
SKALA: An additional question -- the recommendation that came from the group  
that selected those three, or the three that were named here -- was there -- was  
just  
a request by those groups to do that or -- is that is that how the selection  
process -- the selection process for those three that eventually were wound up as  
the pilot -- how were they selected?  
THOMPSON: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know if it was -- I believe it was  
-- the Disabilities Commission had selected several groups to invite.  
I
think what  
they were trying to do was look at groups where they thought it would be  
advantageous and they were groups that could use the technology, embrace the  
technology, as part of their process. As  
a
reminder, it’s going to take  
a
staff  
member, an additional staff member from either the IT or public relations -- not  
public relations -- the meetings, our meetings group, community relations, that will  
need to be present to assist as part of the process. And this particular ordinance will  
allow either  
group itself to hold virtual meetings, which means  
present in the room. Your current requirement is for there to be quorum present in  
the room, so this allows quorum not to be present in the meeting room. It does  
staff member, at least one staff member, to be present in  
a
member of the public to attend any of these meetings or  
a -- the  
a
quorum is not present to be  
a
require the chair and  
the room.  
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SKALA: And it does include public participation on a virtual basis.  
THOMPSON: Correct.  
PETERS: And it is a trial period for six months so then we should get a report back as  
to whether it works or not, or the issues that people have run into, or if people like  
it or if anybody uses it, really. I'm sure that YAC committee will.  
THOMPSON: It does require  
a
member of the public to give 24 hours notice in  
advance so that appropriate staff arrangements can be made. It allows for less than  
24 hours notice and approval by the chair and liaison in the event that staffing can  
be provided, but if there are staffing obstacles then that request could be denied  
within that 24 hour window.  
Susan Renee Carter, Traci Wilson-Kleekamp, and Rebecca Shaw spoke.  
CARTER: Susan Renee Carter, 2105 Hillsborough Drive.  
I
just wanted to make  
a
couple of comments as I was reading through. So I noticed on one section it says, all  
members must keep their cameras on and have the ability to communicate, but  
then in e, which is right next to it -- the chat box comments will be disabled -- is  
understanding that if you're using this for accessibility that there are some people  
who cannot physically speak so you need to consider how they'll be able to  
communicate if they’re allowed to do that in the meetings. Also, there’s no  
provision for closed caption, which can be done on some of the virtual platforms,  
which is also another requirement, if you're going to make it accessible to people  
with disabilities. And thirdly,  
I want to point out, just from my own experience, is  
that not everyone's computer and not everyone's internet -- because we have poor  
internet in the City -- will allow you to have your camera on and also be on the  
platform. There’s times when I’m in meetings where  
I have to turn my camera off  
or they can't hear what I'm saying when it’s my time to talk, or I can't hear the other  
people because the connection is poor. So, before you approve that your saying is  
going to benefit the Disabilities Commission for people with disabilities -- is  
making sure that you've put together what you really need in order for it to be an  
accessible platform. Thank you.  
WILSON-KLEEKAMP: Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp, Race Matters Friends.  
I
just have  
a
question, like, why can't we use Zoom? don’t understand. We use Zoom for our  
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public meetings. People have to register and then we live stream. We also run  
closed captioning. We download the transcript. We make every effort to make sure  
that somebody that is visually impaired or whatever can access our meetings. So,  
you know -- and we pay for the service as an organization. So,  
I don't understand  
why we would be looking at something even as trial that is exclusive in terms of  
a
its ability to be used by certain members of our community. So why would you --  
why do you want to try something like that? I mean, the idea is, I thought, to have  
more people participate and for it to accessible. That’s why  
I
thought we cared  
about equity and inclusion and all that stuff unless we're just talking about it out of  
ass. Thanks.  
SHAW: Good evening, Rebecca Shaw, 2615 Vail Drive.  
I
just want to say that I’m  
happy to see this on the agenda this evening. I’m happy to hear the conversation. I  
think it’s is something that is needed and has been asked for. Renee Powell just  
mentioned to me, out in the foyer, that they’re having really big issues happening  
with paratransit right now, coming to the Transportation Commission. So, if we, as  
a
City, cannot provide transportation for people who need to be at these meetings,  
then we need to have an alternative. Thanks.  
The Council asked further questions and made comments.  
SKALA: I guess I had a question for legal with respect some of the issues that were  
brought up.  
I mean, it was my understanding that part of the difficulty with doing  
these virtual meetings across the board had to do, not only with soft -- Zoom was  
not appropriate because it was inadequate to accomplish the kinds of goals, given  
the rules, that we -- that were established by state statute and so on in terms of  
legal meetings -- is that correct?  
THOMPSON: So, Zoom webinar might be  
a
product that’s used.  
I
don't know what  
webinar-type  
the exact product is that the IT department has identified, but it's  
a
product where the participants in the meeting -- those who are the -- either board  
or commission members -- are pinned to the front page, and presentations can be  
on the front page. And you have attendees that are in the background. Those  
attendees are admitted into the meeting during the period of time in which they  
are speaking. And so, board or commission members who are actually attend them  
virtually -- their picture has to be -- and they have to be appearing -- as if in person  
so you see their face the entire time they’re in the meeting. If they need to take a  
break and their camera goes off, they’re presumed to have left the meeting. So it's  
a
quorum issue for when someone’s in the meeting or not. Persons who are  
members of the public who are attending the meeting don’t have to have their  
camera on. As matter of fact, they don’t really want their camera on except when  
for when they’re giving public comment because it's not intended to distraction for  
the purposes of holding the meeting. And all the other accessible requirements  
will be met if they're able to be met, and if not, then we’re going to have to find a  
different mechanism.  
SKALA: And just one other question and that is -- that with respect to the comment  
period or -- the allowance of comments and whether or not they can -- we can take  
comment in the chat room, if you will -- is that a legitimate point that was made in  
terms of some folks may not be able to speak?  
THOMPSON: Sure. So the purpose of disabling the chat box is much like how you  
maintain decorum during  
a
meeting. What you don’t want to have happen is  
comments flying across your screen which is what software allows these days -- is  
for people to post emojis and raise hands and do all those types of activities during  
your meeting. I mean, the purpose of this is to hold a meeting, which is for a board  
or commission. It's a business meeting.  
SKALA: Right, but there is an opportunity to not use your voice and to type in  
question.  
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THOMPSON: Sure. If somebody has  
in their comments, then there would be need -- there would the ability to do that,  
but as protocol, chat box is disabled for the meeting in general. Now, you know,  
depending upon what kind of meeting you’re having -- if you’re trying to get  
different kinds of feedback or public input, there might be temporary enabling  
a need for an accommodation to be able to type  
a
a
and then disabling, but as a standard protocol, they are -- chat boxes and emojis are  
disabled.  
SKALA: Thank you.  
PITZER: One question that  
I think I’ve asked you several times already. The see and  
be seen requirement -- that is specific to the City of Columbia?  
THOMPSON: No. So that is specific to boards and commissions that have due  
process requirements. If you are holding  
a
statutory public hearing, not public  
comment, but  
law.  
a
statutory public hearing, much like you're going to do in court of  
a
PITZER: Okay. So, yeah, I mean, so I've seen like school board meetings and board of  
curator meetings where they are not all on screen at the same time.  
THOMPSON: That’s correct. So what we're trying to do is practice and get  
everybody, and see if we can get this technology. The best practice is to have  
everybody on the screen at the same time for  
I would say not everyone is using best practice.  
PITZER: Okay.  
a public meeting. That's best practice.  
THOMPSON: That makes -- for lack of a better phrase.  
FOWLER: Yes,  
process going back to when Kate Graham first contacted me and sent  
she received from Troy Balthazor back in December of 2020, at time when they  
realized that they were having difficulty reaching quorum in the Disabilities  
Commission because of the significant health risks to their members. So here we  
are this many months later, after many iterations, and clearly understand the  
concerns that were raised about what choice we’re -- what software we’re using,  
which don't know the name of either, and some of the limitations of it. We have  
I
have  
a
couple of comments here. So, this has been  
a
difficult  
a
letter that  
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a
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been struggling for months to get this up and running so we can figure out what  
works and what doesn't work, and it's not perfect yet. We were instructed by  
Nancy, the City Attorney, not to try and engage with the boards and commissions  
that have statutory requirements, like Planning and Zoning, Board of Adjustment,  
and so we instructed the Disabilities Commission to pick  
we even told them to pick three -- to try this with. And they worked very  
intentionally to first find an organization that had quorum, and again part of the  
problem and the reason why we brought this forward is because the difficulty of  
obtaining quorum and that we wanted our boards and commissions to still be  
viable despite all the health restrictions that we are undertaking. mean, we're still  
wearing masks, we're still sitting far apart, we still realize that we have pandemic  
a small number -- I think  
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that jeopardizes people's health. So, this is not perfect by any means, but an  
enormous amount of work has gone into this by members of the Disabilities  
Committee. It has been  
a negotiation between the IT staff and the members of the  
Disabilities Commission on any number of issues, including the accessibility of our  
web site and the new website. And I would like us to forward, knowing that this is  
imperfect, so we can figure out where it is we need to make changes so we can be  
more open and available to members of our community who struggle to get here,  
whether it's paratransit or any number of other issues -- childcare, medical fragility,  
the fragile health of  
a
family member -- any number of things that have been  
brought to our attention because of COVID. And so I’m going to vote to support this  
ordinance.  
TREECE: What are the metrics by which pilot project will be evaluated in six  
months?  
THOMPSON: We will provide you as much feedback as we can based upon the  
experiences and let Council decide if you want to expand it or continue the  
program or discontinue the program.  
B371-21 was given third reading by the City Clerk with the vote recorded as  
follows: VOTING YES: THOMAS, PITZER, PETERS, FOWLER, WANER, SKALA.  
VOTING NO: TREECE. Bill declared enacted, reading as follows:  
B361-21  
Authorizing a supplier agreement with the Missouri Department of Social  
Services Family Support Division for participation in the Low Income  
Household Water Assistance Program.  
The bill was given second reading by the City Clerk.  
Utilities Director David Sorrell provided a staff report, and the Council  
asked questions to which staff responded.  
SORRELL: David Sorrell, Director of Utilities. This is  
Missouri Department of Social Services to be able for the City to accept funding for  
low-income household water assistance program for families that are having  
a
proposed agreement with the  
a
problems paying their water or sewer bill. It's very similar to the LIHEAP  
agreements that we have with that department. This simply allows us to accept  
their funding. It would be administered by the Central Missouri Community Action,  
and the applicant would need to meet all the requirements to be eligible. And then  
if they're determined and eligible, they'll forward that money to us, and we would  
be able to accept it if we enter into this agreement.  
FOWLER: Yes.  
I have a question. I don't know if Mr. Sorrell’s the right person to  
answer that, but I see that Mr. Hollis is here and Director Browning is here. So, we  
received -- first of all, I'm delighted that we're facilitating this opportunity for our  
low income households. But we received  
January 6 2021 from the Human Rights Commission, then  
January 12 from the Youth Advisory Council, and then  
12 of 2021 about some of the difficulties that our energy assistance, our electric  
assistance program, was causing to our residents because of water and sewer bills  
water, sewer, and trash, and know we don’t have trash accommodated for here.  
a
letter,  
a
couple of letters -- one dated,  
subsequent letter dated  
subsequent letter from May  
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-
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I'm wondering, if by asking Mr. Hollis and Director Browning -- does this alleviate  
that sort of -- people getting caught in the middle between -- they have -- they’re  
being offered resources for their electric bill, but then because they have these  
other -- will these work? Have you looked at whether or not this is going to work  
well together because that was often preventing them from being able to accept  
electricity assistance?  
BROWNING: Stephanie Browning, Director of Public Health and Human Services.  
We do believe that this will work well because that is a barrier if we can only accept  
the electric portion of the payment and they still have, you know, sewer or water.  
So, and we work closely with CMCA so I see this as being a win-win.  
FOWLER: So,  
I think one of our difficulties before was that we wouldn't -- I'm not  
sure if it was we couldn't accept the money for electric if the other bills were still  
outstanding or CMCA couldn't transfer it on behalf of the individual household if  
the other bills were outstanding. And does that -- because we still have --  
I mean,  
I'm not sure that if someone can qualify for electric, water, and sewer all under the  
same circumstances perhaps they can under the eligibility requirements -- but are  
we leaving another gap like we had before where people eligible would be eligible  
for one, but it still wouldn't clear their bill? Oh, somebody’s here! Hi.  
Stephanie White spoke.  
WHITE:  
Community Action.  
FOWLER: Thank you for being here.  
Stephanie  
White,  
Energy  
Program  
Manager  
with  
Central  
Missouri  
WHITE: You’re welcome. Thank you for the invite, first time. But yes, families would  
not be able -- we would not be able to make a pledge towards a family’s utility bill  
until the water, trash, and sewer portion are paid. Now the LIHWAP program,  
unfortunately, won’t start until February because there was  
a
fire. So,  
I
am still  
accepting applications, but we are right now not doing anything with them because  
the system is not up and running so we can't do anything.  
FOWLER: Oh dear.  
WHITE: Right.  
FOWLER: So now I'm going to add another layer to this and that is that the City has  
additional funding in its -- we had an additional $300,000 left over from residual  
funds that we put into a different account as opposed to the HELP program that the  
City administered, and  
I wondered how well -- how does that fit into this picture,  
and that might be  
appreciate that.  
a Mr. Hollis question. Thank you for being here. I very much  
HOLLIS: Steve Hollis, Human Services Manager, City/County Health and Human  
Services. So, we work closely with CMCA and we for years have been able to pay  
those other costs. So, in that case, typically a referral will be made.  
Now they need  
to be eligible for our program and there are some people that are not eligible for  
our programs that are eligible for CMCA. Generally, it's going to be single adults,  
non-disabled, non-elderly, so there are some people that fall in that gap. That’s  
why this new program is going to be really handy. So, it will create kind of  
a
seamless assistance for folks getting help from CMCA because they can get the  
entire bill paid. In the meantime, we'll just continue the relationship we have.  
Now, the additional monies -- just been really helpful because CASH and -- we’re  
almost out of CASH actually.  
dwindling. So, we basically run one utility assistance program with multiple funds  
sources so that the customers only see that we have utility assistance program,  
I
just ran  
a
report today, and those funds are  
a
but we do cover those electric, water, gas, sewer bill -- I’m sorry -- electric, sewer,  
water, and trash bills, not gas.  
FOWLER: Yes, that’s not a City --  
HOLLIS: And so, that extra fund is blended seamlessly from the consumer  
perspective with the other funds under the utility assistance, kind of, banner. So,  
we'll just keep working with CMCA as we do now. So if they had somebody that had  
a
big electric bill, and they needed the other portions paid, they could be referred  
to us, and hopefully they're eligible. And we’re able to get folks processed very  
quickly. think you had asked how much we’d spent of that $300,000. It's just over  
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$100,000, which is pretty good because it's been three months. So, we've worked  
really hard to get those funds out there. And we’ve done a couple of things. It does  
let us get away from the 5-time lifetime limit on the HELP program, which is  
established in ordinance. It let us raise the income limit for 150 percent to 200  
percent of poverty level, and it really just kind of gives us that money that we -- so,  
for example, it’s possible we'd be running out of CASH next month. That is a distinct  
possibility, and so it’ll let us keep helping households with older folks or folks with  
disabilities. So, it's been tremendous help.  
FOWLER: Is it possible without being too burdensome on all the other things that  
you all are already doing to have an easy way of describing the interconnectedness  
of the these programs so people understand that they might be eligible for it, and  
not only that people understand, but the pastors understand and the other folks  
out there who are trying to help people who are struggling. Is that something that --  
is it still too many words and to many, you know, layers to like well if it’s this and  
then it’s this and then it’s this and then it’s this and then maybe.  
HOLLIS: Yeah,  
I
think it's probably more complicated for us to talk about it than the  
The consumers, generally -- we put out Housing Assistance Guide  
think from consumer standpoint it’s pretty generally  
understood that you go apply to CMCA in the winter and the summer, and that  
typically you're going to want to apply to our program once year. It's fairly  
seamless. think the folks that struggle are the folks that do get into disconnect  
situation, and then it becomes kind of crisis, and that's challenge. So, that’s why  
we did away with things like not requiring disconnect because all those years we  
consumers.  
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kind of forced people to be in crisis. So, now what we do is really work with the  
providers and customers to say hey, go apply for assistance before you get help.  
Now, the other thing that’s happened is that they’re greatly increasing LIHEAP so  
we’re in --  
I
was telling Stephanie today, you know, -- relatively amazing shape  
when it comes to utility assistance based on my career.  
exponentially more dollars available and that’s only going to increase because of  
these increased federal dollars. So, think it's pretty seamless. think you’d also  
asked about the common eligibility system. We’re going to pilot that internally,  
but we have an eye to expand that externally. And a great example would be -- one  
thing spoken with Darren Pries about just recently. We’ve talked about over the  
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years is -- if somebody went to CMCA and they had all their income information,  
couldn't they just make them eligible for our program? And those are the kinds of  
things we have in mind to make it easier for folks so that they can just simply help  
that person or even complete that application and send it over for us. We’d have  
every confidence that they’re able to do to that. We can't do it in reverse because  
they need to keep documentation because it’s federal dollars where as ours are  
local. And we feel there’s an opportunity to partner with professional providers to  
actually do that eligibility for folks and then take one more step out of the way, so  
you could go to CMCA, turn in your stuff, and essentially apply for two programs at  
once.  
FOWLER: And under this idea that we have common eligibility standards, which is  
something I’m keenly interested in, would that also then -- if we mirror our  
eligibility with CMCA’s, would that also carry over to other programs within the City  
including paratransit eligibility? And  
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don't know all the other things that would  
reference, but the agreement that has to do with this particular assistance actually  
contemplates rate reduction, which  
but circled it several times when  
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know, is not something we’ve talked about,  
I hit it in the agreement between the Missouri  
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Department of Social Services Family Support Division and the City of Columbia. It  
talks about -- you don’t need to be in disconnect or we will pay for reconnection  
expenses and it also contemplates rate reduction to existing and eligible  
households. Is that anything that’s also part of those eligibility guidelines or criteria  
that we’re working on?  
HOLLIS: No,  
I don't think so. So, ours is just simply -- you could go to any of the  
programs in the City that require income based eligibility and show your  
information and get some sort of card. We’re actually envisioning something pretty  
low tech because the tech immediately gets you into, you know, HIPPA issues and  
things like that. So, really, it’s so, if you walk into WIC lets say, and showed your  
income, you might get  
off which income level you’re at, so that if you then went downtown to Parks and  
Rec and you wanted scholarship for your child, you can show your card. When  
started working on this before the pandemic, it was transit, Parks and Rec, and our  
department. Transit’s still free as far as know so we would probably pull them  
back in if there’s ever fee and it’s discounted in some way. For now, what we’re  
generally looking at is generally Parks and Rec and our department. But even in our  
own department, we have situation somebody could go to WIC, show their stuff,  
a City eligibility card that shows your household size, check  
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they’ve got to walk over to the clinic and show their stuff again. So we think there  
are some efficiency and some dignity be had for customer’s there. And then, if we  
can work it out, we’d like to see if can do it with community partners.  
FOWLER: Is it inconsistent to put paratransit into that mix?  
TREECE: So, I want to keep this germane to 361 if I can.  
FOWLER: Sure.  
TREECE: Because  
I think we’re getting really far off and I appreciate your questions.  
I think they’re well intentioned. I think staff can come back to us on that, but I just  
for the sake of transparency and public hearing, I need to keep this focused on 361.  
PITZER: So, on the utility assistance program, the email that you sent to us this  
afternoon -- so you mentioned you removed the 5-time limit on assistance, right?  
So --  
HOLLIS: It still applies to HELP program cause it’s an ordinance, but we’re basically  
able to help people that have hit that limit because of the city utility assistance  
fund doesn’t have that restriction. Does that make sense?  
PITZER: So, under utility assistances, is there a 5-time limit or no?  
HOLLIS: No  
PITZER: No, okay.  
HOLLIS: Under that specific fund.  
PITZER: And then you said you raised the amount of annual assistance from 200 to  
600? Is that correct?  
HOLLIS: Correct.  
PITZER: And what are the other the eligibilities guidelines under that program?  
HOLLIS: It would -- still requires the basic requirement basically. Well for our  
program, Boone County, because we serve the entire County. So when we talk  
about our utilities assistance program, it’s a suite of different funds.  
PITZER: I’m talking about the -- so the program that we funded with the $300,000.  
HOLLIS: So it uses the same eligibility guidelines. In that case, they would need to  
be under 200 percent of poverty level. In that case, they would have to be  
a City  
utility customer, and they would either need to have children or be elderly or  
disabled or all three. Similar to the CASH and HELP general guidelines.  
PITZER: Right. And then you said, you used an opt-out process and you went back  
and added $400 to active accounts that had received an allocation in 2021 under the  
prior limit of $200.  
HOLLIS: Correct.  
PITZER: What is the opt-out process?  
HOLLIS: Basically, we just communicated with anybody got the assistance in writing  
and said if you do not want the additional assistance which is being made available  
to other people this year, then let us know and we won’t apply that to your  
account.  
Obviously, it only went to active accounts and it went to folks who had  
already received assistance this year.  
PITZER: Okay. Did you have many opt-outs?  
HOLLIS: I don’t think we had any.  
PITZER: Okay, so I'm just wanting to make sure I understand. So that $600 a year.  
HOLLIS: Correct.  
PITZER: Forever, until the money runs out.  
HOLLIS: Well, we do -- have adjusted the amounts each year based just on -- there  
have been times where we were upwards over 600 --  
I believe for the cash program  
in years past. We had so little money, we had gone down to $200. From our  
perspective, it's something we'd want to maintain the ability to kind of adjust. We  
had the sense Council wanted to get the money out because it was a pandemic and  
due to the response so we did up that limit.  
I know Boone Electric -- we’ve been  
talking to Boone Electric about possibly upping their limit as well.  
PITZER: Okay, thanks.  
HOLLIS: You're welcome.  
B361-21 was given third reading by the City Clerk with the vote recorded as  
follows: VOTING YES: THOMAS, PITZER, PETERS, TREECE, FOWLER, WANER,  
SKALA. VOTING NO: NO ONE. Bill declared enacted, reading as follows:  
VII. CONSENT AGENDA  
The following bills were given second reading and the resolutions were  
read by the City Clerk.  
B351-21  
B352-21  
Changing the uses allowed within the Chateau on St. Charles PUD Plan  
located on the west side of Dorado Drive and north of St. Charles Road (9  
Dorado Drive); approving a revised statement of intent (Case No.  
286-2021).  
Granting a design adjustment relating to the construction of public roadway  
infrastructure in connection with the proposed Final Plat of Bach  
Subdivision located on the east side of Scott Boulevard and west of the  
terminus of Crabapple Lane (5170 S. Scott Boulevard); requiring execution  
of a right of use license permit (Case No. 283-2021).  
B353-21  
Authorizing a right of use license permit with Christopher C. Bach and  
Tracy M. Bach for the construction, installation, maintenance and operation  
of a twelve (12) foot temporary access roadway and a five (5) foot sidewalk  
along a portion of the Crabapple Lane right-of-way.  
B354-21  
B355-21  
B359-21  
B360-21  
B362-21  
Approving the Final Plat of “Bach Subdivision” located on the east side of  
Scott Boulevard and west of Persimmon Road (5170 S. Scott Boulevard);  
authorizing a performance contract (Case No. 283-2021).  
Approving the Final Plat of “Overland Route 763 Subdivision” located on  
the southeast corner of Range Line Street (Missouri Route 763) and  
International Drive; authorizing a performance contract (Case No. 222-21).  
Approving the Final Plat of “A-1 Rental Plat 1” located on the southeast  
corner of Old Highway 63 and Stadium Boulevard; authorizing a  
performance contract (Case No. 257-2021).  
Authorizing removal of a refuse container and relocation of the refuse  
compactor at the Wabash Bus Station property located on Orr Street;  
calling for bids through the Purchasing Division.  
Authorizing an agreed amendment to the master terms and conditions and  
end user license agreement with Doble Engineering Company for the  
purchase of software for equipment testing at the City’s electrical  
substation to meet operational, safety and regulatory requirements.  
B363-21  
B364-21  
Accepting conveyances for drainage and utility purposes; accepting  
Stormwater Management/BMP Facilities Covenants.  
Authorizing the City of Columbia to participate in the Electricity Information  
Sharing and Analysis Center; authorizing the City Manager and City  
Counselor to execute additional documents, certifications and assurances  
related thereto; authorizing the City Manager to designate approving  
officials; authorizing electronic filings.  
B365-21  
B366-21  
Amending Chapter 2 of the City Code as it relates to membership  
requirements for the Columbia Sports Commission.  
Authorizing an agreement with The Curators of the University of Missouri,  
on behalf of its University Concert Series, for FY 2022 arts programming  
funds.  
B367-21  
Authorizing a grant agreement with the State of Missouri - Missouri Arts  
Council for FY 2022 community arts programs administered by the Office  
of Cultural Affairs.  
B368-21  
B369-21  
Amending the FY 2022 Annual Budget by appropriating funds from the  
2021 Celebration of the Arts event.  
Authorizing an agreement with the Missouri State Highway Patrol - Criminal  
Justice Information Services Division for access and use of Rap Back  
Program services for fingerprint and criminal background checks for  
licensing or employment purposes.  
B370-21  
B372-21  
Repealing Ordinance No. 015992 which established procedures and  
guidelines for procurement of architectural, engineering and land surveying  
services and enacting new provisions related thereto.  
Authorizing the City Manager to execute an easement to Boone Electric  
Cooperative for the replacement and extension of electric distribution and  
communication lines due to the relocation of navigational aids as part of  
the Runway 2-20 extension project at the Columbia Regional Airport.  
R177-21  
Setting a public hearing: proposed construction of Fire Station #10 to be  
located north of and west of St. Charles Road, at the bend with the  
intersection of E. Richland Road.  
R178-21  
R179-21  
R180-21  
R181-21  
Declaring the results of the special election held on November 2, 2021 to  
extend the one-eighth of one percent local parks sales tax.  
Accepting the donation of a gift card from Home Depot to be used by the  
Police Department for the purchase of outdoor tables and chairs.  
Authorizing the City Manager to negotiate and execute a settlement  
agreement with SERC Reliability Corporation.  
Authorizing a social services provider agreement with Columbia Interfaith  
Resource Center for emergency shelter services for homeless persons in  
isolation or quarantine; authorizing a business associate agreement for  
social service providers.  
R182-21  
R183-21  
R184-21  
Authorizing a tourism development sponsorship agreement with "We  
Always Swing," Inc. for the “We Always Swing”® Jazz Series: Season #27.  
Amending Resolution No. 136-20 which established the Growth Impact  
Study Working Group to reduce membership and quorum requirements.  
Authorizing a real estate contract with the J. Turner Jones Trust for the  
acquisition of property located at 11 N. Seventh Street.  
The bills were given third reading and the resolutions read by the City Clerk with  
the vote recorded as follows: VOTING YES: THOMAS, PITZER, PETERS, TREECE,  
FOWLER, WANER, SKALA. VOTING NO: NO ONE. Bills declared enacted and  
resolutions declared adopted, reading as follows:  
VIII. NEW BUSINESS  
None.  
IX. INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING  
The following bills were introduced by the Mayor unless otherwise  
indicated, and all were given first reading.  
B373-21  
Reimposing a sales tax of one-eighth of one percent for the purpose of  
providing funding for local parks.  
B374-21  
B375-21  
Voluntary annexation of property located on the east side of Bearfield Road  
and north of Woodhaven Road (4000 S. Bearfield Road); establishing  
permanent M-OF (Mixed-use Office) zoning (Case No. 304-2021).  
Approving the PD Plan Major Revision for “Sonic of Columbia, Hyde Park”  
located on the east side of Buttonwood Drive and south of Nifong  
Boulevard (3700 Buttonwood Drive); approving a statement of intent (Case  
No. 214-2021).  
B376-21  
Vacating a utility easement on Lot 1A within the Alpha Phi Subdivision  
Replat located on the east side of Providence Road (900 Providence  
Road) (Case No. 79-2021).  
B377-21  
B378-21  
Vacating a utility easement on Lots 3 and 4 within Woodrail - Plat No. 6  
located on the east side of Westcreek Circle (Case No. 297-2021).  
Authorizing the acquisition of property for the proposed construction of Fire  
Station #10 to be located north of and west of St. Charles Road, at the  
bend with the intersection of E. Richland Road.  
B379-21  
B380-21  
Authorizing a program services contract with the Missouri Department of  
Health and Senior Services for the overdose data to action program.  
Authorizing an equitable sharing agreement and certification with the U.S.  
Department of Justice and U.S. Department of the Treasury detailing FY  
2021 receipts and expenditures of shared funds by the Police Department.  
B381-21  
Authorizing a memorandum of understanding with The Curators of the  
University of Missouri, on behalf of University of Missouri Healthcare, for  
medical support of law enforcement operations through the development of  
a Tactical EMS Program.  
B382-21  
B383-21  
B384-21  
B385-21  
B386-21  
B387-21  
Authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Transportation -  
Highway Safety and Traffic Division for acceptance of a grant for a DWI  
traffic enforcement unit.  
Authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Transportation -  
Highway Safety and Traffic Division for acceptance of a grant for DWI  
enforcement relating to sobriety checkpoints and saturation patrols.  
Authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Transportation -  
Highway Safety and Traffic Division for acceptance of a grant for dedicated  
enforcement of hazardous moving violations.  
Authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Transportation -  
Highway Safety and Traffic Division for acceptance of a grant to conduct  
special traffic enforcement of hazardous moving violations.  
Authorizing a contract with the Missouri Department of Transportation -  
Highway Safety and Traffic Division for acceptance of a youth alcohol  
enforcement grant to conduct compliance checks.  
Authorizing a first amendment to PCS antenna agreement and  
memorandum of first amendment to PCS antenna agreement with  
T-Mobile USA Tower LLC for the lease of City-owned property located at  
1400 Ballenger Lane (Fire Station No. 5).  
X. REPORTS  
REP89-21  
Go COMO Transit Alternative Fuel Follow-Up Report.  
Acting Public Works Director Shane Creech provided a staff report, and  
the Council asked questions and discussed the report.  
CREECH:  
execution of  
purchase of city transit buses at the October 18 meeting with the understanding  
that staff would bring back report before purchasing any additional compressed  
Shane Creech, Interim Director of Public Works. Council authorized the  
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cooperative agreement with the State of Washington for the  
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natural gas buses. The City previously leased nine early production BYD electric  
buses delivered in 2016 and 2017 that resulted in poor overall performance. The  
buses were returned to manufacturer in 2019. After extensive conversations with  
the vendor and improved training and maintenance support, the City purchased  
four BYD electric buses, currently in use, which we received in October of 2020. The  
data we’ve received today indicates they're performing well, but because of our  
history with previous BYD buses, we want to be confident that performance and  
reliability does not trend downward as the buses age. Therefore, staff requests an  
additional year of data gathering on the existing four BYD electric buses in order to  
determine their reliability and efficiency before we commit to adding more electric  
buses to our fleet. If all data confirms the current efficiency and reliability, all new  
buses will be electric going forward. Staff requests authorization to purchase three  
CNG buses and will prepare  
a
comprehensive report of the electric buses  
performance and submit it to council prior to the purchase of any additional CNG  
buses going forward. Should Council still prefer the electric buses be purchased at  
this time, staff recommends authorization of the purchase of two BYD electric  
buses from the company directly due to the price point and staff comfort level. The  
report also includes details regarding the cost of each type of bus. Happy to answer  
any questions you have.  
TREECE: So  
I do want to point out to Council that prior to 4:00 p.m. today, we  
received some communication from the Sierra Club. You all should have had  
a
chance to look at that, but they're basically asking for three things -- ask the City  
staff to complete the full lifecycle cost comparison for the CNG and electric bus  
options, specifically asked us to have  
a report on the future emissions impact of the  
buses alternatives, and three, ask the staff to conduct customer reference checks  
for electric buses that have been in service for more than one year, and provide it  
to us before we acquire any new buses. So I'll share that with you. Any discussion  
on where you think we should go. Staff is looking to move forward on this, but was  
waiting until they brought this back per our direction.  
PETERS:  
I just have a question as to why three years versus four years of use? I  
mean if -- what makes four years -- you know, why do you want to look at these for  
four years versus three years? Do you see great -- well why?  
CREECH: We only had the four electric buses for a total of one year, so we're asking  
for an additional year. So we've only had this new generation electric bus for a total  
of one year.  
PETERS: Okay, you just had four buses for one year. So you want to look at them for  
two years?  
GLASCOCK: Yep.  
PETERS: Thanks.  
GLASCOCK: So we had four buses, we had -- we sent back which were first  
generation buses. So, these are the new generations that we have. We want to see  
how they perform verses the first generation electric buses we had previously.  
PETERS: And we have to replace these other buses this year?  
CHREECH: We try to rotate through buses. They're -- you know, they’re very  
expensive and so we try and replace two or three every year as funds allow. We  
wouldn't necessarily have to, but what we’re wanting to replace are three diesel  
buses that are at the end of their usable life.  
THOMAS: Yeah, you mentioned that the Sierra Club had requested three further  
pieces of information, and that those were the lifecycle costs, which would include  
the cost of energy to run the buses, which would show electric buses making  
considerable savings over the CNG buses, the emissions cost, which again would  
show the electric buses performing vastly better than the CNG buses, as well as  
recommendations or references for other customers with electric buses. The first  
two of those were supposed to be in this report. So, to my interpretation, this  
report isn't responsive. Whatever we decide to do in the purchase of buses,  
I was  
hoping to see those numbers based on your experience with electric buses, your  
research elsewhere. We need to start doing climate emissions analysis on  
everything that we do, so this would be a great way to get started. So I'm not really  
satisfied that the report responded to what Council asked for.  
CREECH: And we can, you know, obviously, we can do more research and bring back  
more information. What's difficult is we had  
a brand new bus we've had for a year.  
There's lot of moving parts in something like this -- topography in Columbia  
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versus other places. So that bus -- the most we're going to have is one year of  
information. We can look at what electric buses -- we think they're going to do, but  
we don't know how much maintenance is in year 3, 4, 5 and 6. And so, really, we've  
had great luck for one year. We want to see additional information before we  
spend money because we had such  
buses.  
a bad experience the last time with same brand  
THOMAS: Yeah,  
I realize that there are always margins of error in any analyses and  
estimations, but I'd like to see those numbers with your estimated margin of error  
on those based on the limited access to data that you have.  
GLASCOCK: So do you want us to use the old buses as well as data, and -- the ones  
we sent back?  
THOMAS: Well, I think the goal is to project what you expect.  
GLASCOCK: Well,  
study.  
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can project anything Mr. Thomas.  
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mean that's like  
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THOMAS: Using your engineering judgment and your professional experience.  
WANER: My question was how quickly did the first buses that we received go bad,  
essentially?  
GLASCOCK: I think they lasted three years.  
WANER: Okay, so we’re asking for -- we have a year's worth of data. Historically, we  
had a year’s worth data before and it was still okay, but then it went downhill.  
GLASCOCK: And I say three years in the fact that they didn't run for a whole year.  
mean, some of them didn't run for a whole year.  
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CREECH: We broke a lease in 2019. So, the ones we had from 16 and 17 were so bad,  
we eventually broke a lease and that was a lot of out of service in time -- where we  
weren't using them. There weren't nine on the road all the time because there was  
always one on the shop. We had one burn up, you know.  
WANER: Thank you.  
PITZER: Yeah, I mean, I'm fine if we want to wait a year, another year, to do this. I  
mean it seems like that is fairly responsible and reasonable to make sure we have  
that data. The risk, of course, is that there are two buses with over 550,000 miles on  
them that you're looking to phase out and replace, and that you said it takes --  
could take up to, I think, a year and a half to receive the buses after you order them.  
So, you know, waiting  
know, trying to run these 550,000 mile buses on them.  
what we're hearing here,  
now. You know, again, maybe in  
then, you know, the CNG does meet  
consistent with the CAAP goals. So, you know, there's  
moving parts as we progress toward more electric fleet. There’s probably going to  
a
year -- so that's two and  
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half years of potentially, you  
So, you know, based on  
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wouldn't support going ahead with the electric busses  
year, but if we don’t think it’s worth the risk,  
lower and no admission standards and it is  
lot of complications and  
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be some stops and starts in there, and technology and vehicles and everything's  
going to develop rapidly here over the next several years. So, I'm not sure what the  
best answer is, but, certainly, I think waiting one year that's totally reasonable.  
SKALA: I agree with that. And I also agree that with the diesel buses that we have --  
those are emitters, heavy emitters, and CNG, although  
feedback about it in the days that we were anticipating having a CNG station and all  
the rest of it -- by suggesting that this was bridge to renewables, which kind of  
I got quite a bit of negative  
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irritated a lot of folks. Nonetheless I think that applies right now to in terms of this  
extra year and using this as a bridge to renewables and getting rid of the stink pots  
essentially.  
TREECE: You know the other thing we could do is buy one CNG, one electric put  
them, both into service at the same time and have an apples to apples comparison  
with number of days down and fuel costs, and an exhaust them both and just doing  
an endurance test on both.  
THOMAS: It would be  
a perfect control. I'm surprised that -- it seems to me there  
should be surplus of buses in the barn because before June 2019, we were  
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running the black and gold routes, which each had two buses on them. Then we had  
about six of these circulators so we must have had ten buses or more in service just  
on the fixed routes, and now we only have six because we only have six fixed  
routes now with one bus on each so what happened to that surplus -- those extra  
buses that we had a few years ago? Have they all just kind of reached the end of  
their lives and --  
TREECE: Did they cross over?  
CREECH: I don’t think so. I can tell you that I get a report every day of buses that are  
in for service and that runs from 8-10, you know, every day. Some of them go in and  
some go out. Some of them are the three that we’re talking about replacing. But,  
you know, they're on the road all day, so they, you know, you can imagine -- and  
the electric buses, that's  
a
new thing for everybody, you know. New for all the  
drivers, it's new for the mechanics, what they can do and what they can't do. You  
know, it's kind of like needing an electrician where used to just need a mechanic.  
THOMAS: You've got three now that you’ve had for a couple of years -- over a year.  
CREECH: One year.  
THOMAS: I mean, it's not like it's going to be something new.  
TREECE: What would council like to do?  
PITZER: Well,  
I
was just going to say, there's also -- in the infrastructure bill, there's  
don't  
also funding for electric vehicles and there's funding for public transit. And  
I
know any of the details, but maybe six months from now, we'll know more details  
on it.  
TREECE: Well, let’s maybe wait.  
PETERS: Well, the only thing I would be concerned about waiting on is that we seem  
to have a lot of trouble getting things now. I mean, you’re talking a year or a year  
and a half so, -- and I think we have some obligation to try and make sure we have  
buses that actually run and it doesn't sound like we can replace them if all the  
sudden two of them break down. I mean, I realize --  
CREECH: It’s a year, a year and a half, and that's not taking into account supply chain  
issues that we talk about for a whole variety of things. So it could be longer. I’ve got  
no reason to believe that it will as we stand here today, but I didn't think we’d have  
issues with some of the stuff we're having issues with.  
PETERS: So,  
I guess I would sort of think that maybe the mayor's recommendation of  
at least getting two buses in the pipeline, one electric and one CNG would be good.  
I mean waiting longer is okay, but we’re not going to get the buses for a while. So, I  
think we need to have some obligation to the people that ride the buses, even if  
we have some marginal routes -- that we do have buses available.  
THOMAS: I think we have pretty good ridership on the routes right now.  
SKALA: The only flaw with  
a Mayor’s suggestion -- a rather innovative suggestion I  
think is if you if you pitted a CNG bus with an electric bus for the first year, they  
probably both run pretty well. It's after the first year that the electric buses tend to  
fail and we have a record of how long the CNG buses last. So that -- I mean we have  
data for that one year pitted one against another, but not for the real data that  
we’re after and that is the second year, the third year, or how many years.  
PETERS: But, do we want to have -- do we want to order two CNG buses as opposed  
to three that -- I mean, we're trying to get away from this but we need buses.  
SKALA: Right, and that -- I guess that I would tend to favor that approach -- that is to  
replace the really offending vehicles and the ones that are failing with some CNG  
until we have some data to support that electric buses will be reliable.  
PETERS: Well, I would agree with that. You want to do two or three buses?  
TREECE: Have we asked the drivers which they would prefer?  
CREECH: Yes, we've talked to the drivers.  
PETERS: And what do they say?  
CREECH: What their -- it varies. Some don't like the way that the electric accelerate.  
They -- it’s just  
a
different -- if anyone’s driven  
a
Tesla or anything -- it's just  
a
different feeling. So,  
I
think that's mixed. You know, some really like --  
I
haven't  
heard too much complain about the CNG buses or the diesel buses. It’s more about  
how the electric drive verses the other two -- is the thing in the limited time I've  
been in the role that I've been in.  
Council Member Peters made a motion for the purchase of two CNG  
buses.  
PETERS: And then see in  
a year how our current electric buses are working while  
trying to supply at least two new buses to keep the routes running.  
The motion made Council Member Peters for the purchase of two CNG  
buses was seconded by Council Member Skala, and approved by voice  
vote with Council Member Thomas and Council Member Fowler voting no.  
THOMAS: Just to clarify my no vote was wanted to see the analysis we asked for last  
time before we made a decision.  
PETERS: Good point.  
TREECE: I'd like to come back in six months too with -- and just see where we're at  
with incentives to purchase electric and as that technology changes -- yes,  
that -- and I wish you the best of luck on that decision.  
I know  
REP90-21  
Columbia Community Land Trust Administrative Services Agreement.  
The Council asked questions and discussed the report.  
TREECE: We did have  
a pre-council meeting about this. John, what direction do you  
need from us? Is this agreement?  
GLASCOCK: Do we need anything? No,  
We're going to bring forward a year extension.  
I think we’ve covered it at the work session.  
TREECE: And where are you  
- where is council on having some type of contribution  
up to and including the 25 percent service charge of approximately $15,000 for  
staff? I doesn’t -- we don’t have to start it on the first month, but I just think that's  
part of the maturation of --  
FOWLER: Is it per month?  
TREECE: No.  
FOWLER: Oh, thank God.  
TREECE: I'm saying we don't have -- if we -- it doesn't have to be $1,500 the very first  
month. Maybe it's just something that they begin to budget for and get to that  
point, but if they can afford $15,000 off the top.  
I mean, it’s our money and their  
revenue, and I don’t want to pinch them from the other things that they need to be  
doing, but  
budget.  
I
just think it's something they need to start incorporating into their  
FOWLER: It seems like they were amenable to that at the work session.  
TREECE: I think that's right.  
FOWLER: I think I heard that from Anthony, yes.  
SKALA: The cost of independence.  
TREECE: So, I’d just like -- that would be the only reflection of that ordinance and  
then to have an out or an assignability that if there's another partner that they want  
to pursue that there’s some flexibility for us prior to the end of the 12 months. Are  
we good? Okay. Is there any objection?  
SKALA: No.  
XI. GENERAL COMMENTS BY PUBLIC, COUNCIL AND STAFF  
Rick Shanker, Rebecca Shaw, Kristin Bowen, Traci Wilson-Kleekamp,  
James Gray, Mark Haim, Eugene Elkin, and December Harmon spoke,  
and the Council discussed various topics.  
SHANKER:  
Hello, again, Rick Shanker, 1829 Cliff Drive.  
I
spoke with Mike Griggs  
about this and also the Chief in regards to the neighborhood associations -- how  
important they are to our community. And the fact that during COVID, we haven't  
had  
regards to social distancing and all the rest. And,  
possibly opening up some of our facilities, for annual or biannual neighborhood  
association meetings, and was curious to know if Council would consider talking to  
a
lot of neighborhoods that have facilities to have our association meetings in  
I
talked to Mike briefly about  
I
Mike about doing that. Obviously, we have to make sure that when we go in,  
they’re clean -- when they leave, they are clean so we’d have to have trash bags --  
if there would be  
a
damage deposit required. Some neighborhood associations do  
have funds for that, some don’t. Perhaps one of the council people that's involved  
with that neighborhood association could front that money out of their stipend and  
get it at the end.  
So that's what I would like the Council to consider obviously  
[inaudible] in terms of their money, but we want to protect the facility, and -- but  
at the same token, it would be a great thing for neighborhoods not to try and figure  
out places beside outside places to meet.  
TREECE:  
I mean, I’ve been a lot of neighborhood association meetings and mine has  
met in this Chamber, mine has met in the Commission Chambers. I’ve been to  
some in, obviously in people's driveway and schools and churches.  
at Unity, Unitarian Church, and --  
I mean, Shepard  
SHANKER: So are there -- some facilities charge. Are the council facilities open for  
the neighborhood associations?  
TREECE: You know,  
I think it's a scheduling issue because there's something in this  
room almost every night of the week.  
SHANKER: One of the problems we ran into.  
TREECE: Yeah.  
SHANKER: So, there's places like the pavilion over at Stephens that's really nice that  
could [inaudible] be used. And the neighborhood associations are one of the  
reasons why some neighborhoods may or may not have more crime than the other.  
They may have more input into these meetings, God forbid.  
TREECE: I’d rather have it be in a public building than a country club.  
SHANKER: As long as drinks are served.  
SKALA: Just kind of a question here. Don't we -- there are  
a couple of other rooms  
here. There's one around the corner. There use to be room up in the mezzanine  
a
too, you know, in terms of public rooms that with -- depending on the volume of  
business and so on. It's another possibility.  
SHANKER: Well, we couldn't ask the whole building to be open and have staff here  
to get us in and get us out. If we had something like the pavilion, we could get the  
key before the meeting, turn the key in 24 hours later. We don’t expect the whole  
City to be open.  
TREECE: Is Chief Jones here?  
SHANKER: He was here, but with 4 hours of sleep in the last 24 hours,  
I
hope he’s  
going home.  
TREECE: The Molly Bowden Neighborhood Policing Center has  
that’s available as well.  
a
community room  
SHANKER: Who could we talk to uh --  
TREECE: Chief Jones.  
SHANKER: -- about different facilities.  
I
mean, would Council consider talking to  
Parks.  
TREECE: Yeah.  
SHANKER: Thanks. The other thing  
I wanted to talk about next time is the public  
hearing signs that we see for different zoning and demolitions. Some of the signs  
indicate what the public hearing might be about, others don't. And I’d like to see  
consistency so we don't call the office and say, hey, what's this about? If it says  
demo, we know it’s about. If it says rezoning? But, I'm going to get with Tim Teddy  
about that. So thank you.  
TREECE: Chief, how does someone go about reserving the community room at Molly  
Bowden?  
JONES: We don't have  
a process yet. We had a conversation about that last week  
and we’re getting ready to open it up.  
TREECE: Is there staff there 24 hours a day?  
JONES: There's not, but we can make people available. We do have some  
technology to let people buzz in and out. Legal has the agreement made so that we  
can get it set up, so we'll be moving forward with that.  
TREECE:  
I think we need to encourage, incentivize that in a public space. I mean,  
they're -- the City recognizes official neighborhood associations. They have to have  
bylaws. They have to have annual meetings and --  
SKALA: Just like boards and commissions.  
TREECE: It's good to strengthen them. It's an easy way to strengthen them.  
SHAW: Rebecca Shaw, 2615 Vail Drive. So waking up Sunday morning to  
a text alert  
from MUPD about shots fired downtown again, and looking at the news to see that  
there was an officer involved shooting was not the way thought my Sunday  
I
morning would go. And, I'll be honest, I first thought that it was really only a matter  
of time as many shots fired calls as our police have responded to in the last few  
months. Community members have been asking City leaders to do something  
about community violence. Parents have spoken out about serious fighting and  
threats between students and local high schools at school board meetings.  
Advocate groups have come here to express frustration and have gone to Jefferson  
City and asked for our states gun laws to change. They’ve stressed that open carry  
laws are dangerous, especially mixed with alcohol at bars. We need the City Council  
and City leaders to do more than just go after low hanging fruit this time. Council  
Members, you can take away the liquor license from Vibez, but that will not  
prevent the violence from moving down the street to a gas station or a liquor store,  
and the end result is only taking away an opportunity for  
a Black owned business.  
Chief Jones, you can say that people aren't cooperating and they want to look tough  
and not be snitches, or you can admit that some Black folks don't feel comfortable  
talking to the police because of the very real issue that they have felt targeted by  
and distrustful of the police. You all can keep going to the same stakeholders for  
input, or you can look at the resources already produced for you by the Mayor's Task  
Force on Community Violence and at programs other cities are successfully  
implementing like Cure Violence. Mayor Treece, you’ve joined the Mayors Against  
Illegal Guns group several years ago. Have you tapped into the resources that they  
have offered for cities that are customizable strategies to reduce gun violence? If  
the community and business owners are tired of the violence, then we need to do  
our part to make no guns allowed signs available to business owners and we need  
to empower those business owners to hang them and enforce them. We need to  
pressure our legislators to get rid of open carry and undo the Second Amendment  
Preservation Act. Anyone having ready access to  
a gun is more likely to use it --  
that’s statically known -- especially when mixed with the uninhibiting effects of  
alcohol. And our police need the ability to coordinate with federal agencies when  
gun violence is part of a case. We should ask our Health Department to declare gun  
violence  
a
public health emergency and seek any available assistance this  
systemic one. No  
designation could bring. Finally, we have to look at the issue as  
a
one solution is going to solve this, and this Council has the power and the resources  
to help and the community who is willing to do it with you.  
BOWEN: Hi, my name is Kristin Bowen and I'm here speaking on behalf of the local  
group of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. We all know that gun  
violence has been on the rise here in Columbia. It has been on the rise for the past  
ten years. There was some recent reporting you may have seen in the Kansas City  
Star just about  
a
week ago. Boone County had the second highest spike in gun  
recent ten year period, and we know that  
deaths in the State at 133 percent over  
a
the pandemic has only made this situation worse, exacerbating some of the root  
causes of gun violence. And as other speakers have mentioned, our State's lax gun  
laws have not helped, and so we know in Moms Demand Action as we just heard --  
we go to the capitol and we talk about our gun laws with lawmakers. We have some  
of the weakest gun laws in the country. And so the last time  
I was here to speak  
with you all in March, we talked about -- we warned about some of those extremist  
gun laws, and sadly the Second Amendment Preservation Act did pass, went into  
effect this summer, and we are seeing the result, which is that our local law  
enforcement is unable to cooperate with federal law enforcement to prosecute  
gun crimes. So, we've heard tonight from Race Matters, Friends and others that the  
City does have  
the Mayor's Task Force on Community Violence. It includes  
to underscore again. First is the idea of treating gun violence as  
a
plan to address gun violence -- one that was outlined in 2014 with  
few things that want  
public health  
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issue rather than one that's addressed only by policing. We've heard multiple times  
from our Mayor and our Chief that we -- this is a problem that we cannot arrest our  
way out of. We need to think of this problem as a public health problem. We want  
to talk about implementing  
and promoting greater public involvement in the Police Department’s vision and  
their goals. So I won’t touch on the things that you've already heard about tonight.  
a
violence interrupters program that was in the plan  
I
want to talk about what can be done on the local level. Our group is reaching out to  
Stephanie Browning to have meetings with City leadership to talk about programs  
that we know can work.  
You've heard mention of the Cure Violence program. It's  
one in which trained violence interrupters and outreach workers, not the police,  
prevent shootings and retaliations by mediating conflicts, identifying and treating  
the highest risk individuals, and working to change culture. You may have also seen  
reporting from some of Missouri's other largest cities just this weekend. This  
program, Cure Violence, is in place in varying degrees in Kansas City and St. Louis.  
This is something that we know is working. There's data to prove it, and we come to  
you, Moms Demand Action, our group, to work with the City to advocate for things  
that we know work in other parts of our State and the Nation. We would love to  
partner to share this information with you and to highlight what we know can work  
and is working in other parts of the State. We have other materials available to  
mayors who have taken the pledge to be in the organization Mayors Against Illegal  
Guns. We’re also part of a larger group called Every Town for Gun Safety. There are  
resources available to us as  
a
City through Every Town, not just those of us on the  
welcome the  
ground, but in national positions working on policy on this issue. So,  
I
opportunity to continue this conversation and to come back after we've had some  
time talking with other City leaders about what can be done to implement Cure  
Violence. Thanks.  
WILSON-KLEEKAMP: Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp, Race Matters Friends.  
I
came away --  
I
thought about that press conference all day yesterday, and one thing that really irks  
me is -- we keep talking about, like, we need more police officers. You know, you  
could get 100 more police officers and you cannot compete with the number of  
guns we have on the streets. It's just a fact. We haven't done the work of lobbying  
against guns. We’ve actually done the opposite. We support the police and so that  
they aren't held accountable, but when it comes to our community, we just really  
are dragging our feet. I don't understand it. We keep saying -- and they also said in  
the press conference, we did everything that’s in the Mayor's Task Force on  
Community Violence -- like we're supposed to have meetings once  
a
year. Last  
year, we had stakeholders group meeting, and guess you guys dropped the ball  
a
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on that -- that you're uncomfortable, you didn’t like what happened or I don’t -- you  
just keep moving on in your processes each time. We're not very good. We have  
really bad outcomes. But, you have the money, and for some reason people can get  
speed bumps faster than we can get money to do something about crime  
interventions. It makes no sense to me. So,  
I was not happy with that meeting of  
finger pointing and scapegoating, and telling people that they don’t communicate  
and support the police and all that other kind of stuff. That was ridiculous. And it  
sounded racist to me too. Because we're really not consistent about doing those  
press briefings. We’re not consistent about who we call out about crime in town,  
but for some reason, we’re going to call out Mr. R’Velle. It's very paternalistic to tell  
people we all have to work together while you're not spending money on the  
problem. So, I guess at the end of the day you're going to have to decide -- are you  
going to can actually do something or you keep spending money on speed bumps  
and signs, and not people. Unless what you’re really saying -- we really don't care if  
these Black people keep dying because it's their fault. We over police them, and we  
under police them. So let’s keep having shootings, and if it messes with our  
property downtown, we're going to get upset about it.  
I just, you know -- I don’t  
know why anybody would want trust the Police Department. If they talk to people  
the way that they talked to them yesterday, I would tell all my friends not to talk to  
them.  
I
thought that was outrageous. Throwing  
a
Council Member under the bus  
when they’re not here and no one says anything. Besides we have, you know,  
othering and misogyny and all that going on over here too. So just think about it.  
We have  
a
crime problem because you've made  
a
political decision not to spend  
money on community violence. That's on you. It's always the Council’s fault.  
GRAY: Reverend James Gray. We got all of these groups here in the City of  
Columbia. The problem is that we got these groups, and these groups are getting  
money, but none of them wants to be out doing the work. And I don't mind biting  
my tongue and seeing it.  
it. We meet and we talk and we figure stuff out. We want to do stuff in the  
community, and then we get out there and do it. But then you get lot of these  
I don't mind. I work with Mothers Demand Action against  
a
organizations that’s coward, and they don't want to get out, and then they want to  
blame everybody else, but they don't want to look at theirselves. Yesterday,  
nobody was --  
I
threw somebody under the bus because  
I
had folks calling me  
saying where was our council people at. And it wasn't about just the First Ward. It  
was about all of our wards because we all live in this community. We all pay taxes.  
We all want to see something done great. We don't want to see roundabouts. We  
don’t want to see all of this. We want to be able to come downtown, walk down  
Broadway, walk in Douglass Park, walk in Stephens College. We want to do be able  
to do that and know that we could be safe, but to do that -- and then watch this -- I  
heard tonight a racism, racism -- and we need to talk about Black on Black crime. We  
need to talk that there’s one young man that’s dead, one young African American  
man that’s going to jail, five other are in the hospital. Nobody here’s talking about  
that. Nobody wants to get out in these streets because they’re scared. And at the  
end of the day, my prayer is that the County and the City start giving organization  
money that’s out there on the front line. We had  
a
meeting the other night,  
Saturday night -- hearts of mother, two mothers who lost their child. They left  
a
Columbia, not because of people, but because how people was not responding of  
what they need and that’s to keep their other kids safe. Because we don't want to  
be  
a snitch, we don't want to do this -- it ain’t about snitching. It’s about giving  
money that we could do the right things. It’s about start reaching our kids in  
elementary school. It's about mental illness and depression. It's about doing what's  
right at the end of the day. So we could get up here and we could point the fingers  
at one another. But let's stop pointing the fingers and let's get out here and let's  
solve the issue -- and the issue is everywhere in the City of Columbia, not just First  
Ward. Fifth Ward, Sixth Ward -- we got shootings all over. We just had a young man  
killed up in the County last week, and that didn’t come out for a couple days. Guns,  
alcohol, drugs does not mix. And then the other thing is is there’s nothing out after  
midnight but trouble. But let’s don’t sit up here and pretend this is black thing,  
a
this is a white thing -- this is a Columbia thing. And then for all those that gets up  
and make excuses, look in the mirror and say are you a part of the problem or are  
you a part of the solution? Bless you all.  
HAIM: [Mark Haim] I'm here on behalf of Missouri Peaceworks.  
I
came --  
I
was  
listening to the meeting earlier, but came over in time for the reports and was  
I
very disappointed in your response to reports and the response to Carolyn's email.  
also sent an email on behalf of Peaceworks, which some of you might have seen.  
I
I
don't know. But basically,  
I
don't want to deal with water under the bridge --  
do want to say that if you’ve been  
decisions have already been made there.  
I
paying at all attention to the news the last couple of weeks, what happened in  
Glasgow was a debacle, and we failed to do what we really needed to do to bit the  
bullet and say we’re going to actually make happen what needs to be happening,  
which is cutting our greenhouse gas emissions in half this decade. And,  
I just would  
like to urge the Council to, as we move forward, make Columbia an example for the  
rest of State, and even the rest of the Country. We can be a model city, dealing with  
our carbon emissions, our greenhouse gas emissions, and really set  
a
tone that  
others can emulate. It involves doing things that involve making decisions that are  
based on lifecycle costs, on looking at carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions  
as part of the equation, not just the money end. It involves trying to think through  
-
- do we really need to do this and if we do, what's the most effective way to do it  
that will reduce our carbon footprint, reduce our greenhouse gas emission  
footprint? And I'm thinking as I've said in previous times I've come to speak to you  
all about my grandchildren -- about what’s going to happen when they grew up and  
their kids and their grandkids -- after I’m gone and those of us around the room  
here are gone -- what are we leaving for those who come after us? And right now, it  
doesn't look very good, and  
I understand the importance of dealing with immediate  
issues that are Columbia issues other than greenhouse gas emissions, other than  
climate change. I’m not in any way saying those things aren’t really important and  
don't matter, but  
I am saying that we've got to prioritize our climate situation as a  
very top priority or we're really doing  
Thanks for your time.  
a huge disservice to the future of the planet.  
ELKIN: Eugene Elkin, 3406 Range Line. I hope to cover a lot of territory that -- when I  
was speaking of -- sometimes run things so you can’t understand me. Boone  
Electric -- this subject is year one of homelessness. We have killing. The death is  
north of Boone Electric. It’s after church. What happened? never learned. But the  
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next year, that was my uncle that got shot. I’m going, okay. This past week, we’ve  
had two deaths for sure, and possibility three in the homeless community. One  
lady was our oldest living person that would come to Wilkes and was out here on  
the streets apparently. She was walking south on 63 and was hit by an automobile.  
Our other gentleman chose  
here with us for quite while and we knew someday he could no longer live, and  
his life came to an end. You know I’ve talked negative to the word, or the subject of  
hand sanitizer. do not know where the programming has come from, why people  
don't listen when speak. don’t want to cause trouble. want to save lives.  
Benzene has just been discovered. If not an old story in hand sanitizer, benzene is  
carcinogen. When told you was fifteen years in nursing home setting, never  
once got sick nor did use hand sanitizer. You have got to communicate with each  
a
lifestyle that took his life, meaning he’s been out  
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other and come to some agreement that Eugene might know just few things, and  
the reason was first worried is -- how about alcohol in your blood stream?  
Everything we touch, the body absorbs, and hand sanitizer has that drying agent  
which destroys my hands -- let alone now that know it's got carcinogen in it.  
KFRU had city manager interview. John Glasscock, thought what little could hear  
of it, was impressed because the last time got up here and talked was  
communications. If they could run that or rerun it at later time, more people  
might get to find out some things that are happening. You’re the city manager. You  
know what's clicking and here's how it is. Giving you a PR there. Walmart, I hate to  
say this piece, but our city people need jobs. Everybody agrees? Why do say you  
agree, because tax revenue comes off of person that works. He pays in and he  
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also spends. Friday night they had five works at Conley Walmart, and Saturday night  
they had four workers. That store was becoming an absolute mess, and I’m not sure  
what’s ahead, but I'm trying to explain -- when you look at the amount you pay per  
hour, are you all in alignment with what the cost of living is because I know you’ve  
been good at handing out raises. You don't -- you're not going to be here much  
longer, but does something need to be in place on an ongoing -- hey we need this  
annual 1 percent or half percent -- something that people know -- if you stay with  
this job you will have a reaping of your future hours with that company. Thank you.  
HARMON: My name is December Harmon. I'm  
a new member of the Commission of  
Cultural Affairs and the Citizens Police Review Board. Though today, I'm just me.  
I
didn’t plan to speak today so I’m going to do my best here. Moms Demand Action,  
thank you. I'm sorry we don’t -- I don't have the answers, but I did want to propose  
three radical ideas that at least might be  
a starting point on how we can deal with  
crime. I think part of the problem is that when you have poor people, crime is going  
to go up. I mean, that's just kind of a reality here. When Black people feel alienated  
by the police, they’re not going to want to cooperate, and many people have  
mentioned that today. One of the first ideas that  
I would like to mention is that I  
think we should try to get -- I think we should try to get the police out of dealing  
with traffic violations, minor traffic violations. Other cities have done this. The  
State of Virginia has done this. They shifted that responsibility to unarmed civilians.  
They made it the Department of Transportation’s responsibility.  
I
think that would  
fairly promote people to -- it would make people feel safer. Another idea is --  
I
think we should get rid of traffic violation fines. I got a ticket last year. I was wrong  
and I accepted that, but, I mean, it nearly broke me. I think it was about $150, and  
for some people that's nothing, but the big problem with tickets and stuff like that  
is that -- when you're poor, you can't just pay it off. When you have more money, it  
doesn't actually affect you. It really doesn't affect your day to day life, but when  
have to figure out if I’m going to eat or risk going to jail for not paying or getting a  
warrant, you know, mean, that's -- that heavily impacts your life. [Inaudible] also  
think that we should shift some services away, again away from the Police  
Department and to mental health. worked at the Salvation Army Harbor House.  
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I’ve had to call the police, not because someone did anything particularly wrong,  
but because he was sleeping outside because we didn't have any space for him  
inside, and  
I
felt terrible about that. But we had the call -- and nothing bad  
happened with the police, but the police showed up, and we basically had to ask  
them to find another location for this man, and the next day he was back, and the  
next day and the next day, and  
I just feel like we should have better people, not  
better people, but people who are properly trained and people who can probably  
figure out what best we can do so that his cycle doesn't continue to keep going the  
way it’s going. I’m out of time. I’m sorry, but thank you.  
FOWLER: I want to thank Kristin and Rose, in particular, for being here to talk to the  
issues of community violence and prevention, and for the other folks who have  
spoken.  
today with as many people as  
mentioned. And because, before  
Council, I wanted to talk with them to see if that was the next right thing from their  
perspective that I would ask us to do. So I reached out to Reverend Gray, who --  
think he's still in the hallway out there, to Mrs. Ratliff -- called Kristin Bowen and  
Rose and got an update that they had already reached out to Director Browning.  
Pastor Woods was, or Bishop Woods was mentioned by Mrs. Ratliff, and know  
Bishop Wood so called him today. And also reached out to another pastor who  
has a program in town working with young offenders because think that we are at  
place, given everything else that was said yesterday, and I'm not going to repeat  
everything that everybody talked about, where we need to pick up that report of  
the 2014 Mayor’s Task Force on Community Violence and sit in room with people  
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was able to stream the community briefing yesterday, and  
could who were either there or who were  
came here and made suggestion and an ask to  
I followed up  
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who have the ability to bring other people along in the conversation, and I'm  
thinking about the Black pastors and the NAACP and the people here and Moms  
Demand and all their research that they have available and their connection  
statewide about Cure Violence and Aim for Peace, and bring everyone together.  
And let's talk about what we can do now with that report and with the fact that we  
are able to act with funds because of the American Rescue Plan Act. There's a lot of  
details  
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don't have about that, but  
I wanted to reach out to these folks and ask  
them before  
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came to you to ask us to do that, and I've already asked  
Councilperson Waner if she would assist me in trying to find some shape to that  
and to bring people together, and that’s my ask today.  
TREECE: Council thoughts?  
THOMAS:  
particular. There is  
effective ways to do that. We actually tried with  
ago under the previous city manager, and hired two community members to work,  
think, partly hand in hand with the police and go door to door in those three  
identified neighborhoods, and it wasn't highly structured program, but the  
anecdotal reports heard were very good. And I think it was along the general lines  
that more evidence driven programs are conducted now in other cities. So think  
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support that. And we did --  
growing field of research in violence interruption and  
small program here several years  
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that going through the recommendations of the Task Force and having staff  
research best practices in violence prevention on that public health model would  
really inform the work that Stephanie and Steve are doing in coming up with  
proposals for the American Rescue Plan Fund.  
SKALA: Yeah, I mean this -- I think it's great idea. I mean I think we ought to get  
together and bring folks together. I'm currently involved with the National League  
of Cities current summit of cities this week, and they have  
a virtual summit. They’re  
meeting in many in Salt Lake City, if you will. And this is one of the very important  
topics that many of the 2000 cities that belong to this group, including this  
community, are -- is at the top of their agenda. They too have some resources,  
some of which have been offered by some of the folks that have testified here -- as  
an example, some of what’s going on in St. Louis and Kansas City. But there's lots of  
other resources, and I think to add that voice as well as an national resource to this  
discussion along with what some of these folks have been talking about, very  
weighty issues in terms of community violence, would be a very useful exercise.  
TREECE: Do we want to talk about this again, or is this council ready to release the  
funds for community violence and direct the city manager to do an RFP to have  
robust proposal for us to look at?  
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FOWLER:  
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don't think that's the right approach, Mayor.  
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think that we should  
[inaudible] that report and sit with the people who are experiencing this because --  
their pastors, their family members, their community members -- and talk about  
where we are, and ask the community what's the next right thing. Not suggesting  
we have a big process, but we have a report that all of us have read multiple times.  
I don’t think -- I think it may be we get to a place with an RFP, but I think that the  
events of the last 48 hours, which had you here at  
robbed our police chief of sleep substantially over the last two days, are significant  
enough that don't want us to predetermine an outcome without giving people  
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very early hour and have  
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who care deeply about these issues, who have been involved in efforts in the past,  
the opportunity to come together and to talk with each other about what's the next  
right thing to do. And after that, what's the next right thing to do, and after what’s  
the next right thing to do.  
WANER: How do we balance the need to address things right now when we're  
being told by the public you’re sitting on money and you need to do something  
with it, up against the decision to make evidence based decisions when there's  
litany of resources out there that says, you know -- I'm looking at the CityGRIP  
website right now that Every Town for Gun Safety, which has ridiculous amount of  
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resources where you can apply these different jurisdictional filters to say these are  
evidence based programming that could work in our community -- how do we  
balance all of those things up against the need to get additional community input  
too? That’s my question because I think it is fair to say that we are sitting on money  
and we do need to be doing something. How do we get that? How do we move past  
this continual process of saying, no, we need more community engagement, no, we  
need a RFP -- how do we move past that because it’s clear we need to? There's a  
shooting every weekend. Our cops are tired, our people are tired. People are dying.  
We can't just sit here.  
SKALA: We need to do both of those things.  
WANER: Yeah.  
SKALA: Simultaneously.  
WANER: So, how do we do that?  
PETERS: Could we see about convening, as Ms. Fowler says, you know, the group,  
the local group of people that -- we already have this report. I'm not sure how much  
more public engagement we need, but we do need to talk to the people that can  
help us determine how to move forward. Could we perhaps do like  
a
half day  
conference or half day group or whatever, you know, convene this group for half  
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day -- go through the Mayor’s Task Force with people that are engaged, and try and  
identify what we can do locally with the money we have, what RFPs we might need  
to send out, what other information we need -- and try and do that like -- I hate to  
say in the next two weeks since we have Thanksgiving showing up around there,  
but in the next  
two weeks, you know, or three weeks, before the next city council  
meeting -- see if we can get a group together. We might get, not as much data as we  
want. We might get more done. I mean, we have a lot of resources. Why don't we  
get the local resources together with the Task Force that we have, the report we  
have, and spend an afternoon just hammering out what we can do, and what  
people think will work and, and see if we can come up with a plan -- and then if we  
need to do an RFP, you know -- I don’t -- see what we get  
FOWLER: And then report back, yes. I think that's a great idea. I think that's -- I think  
we have the capacity to do that with the folks that have already started that work  
before. And, speaking to Pastor Woods, he said, “do you remember Silence the  
Violence in 2012,” and I had to think about it because I hadn't thought about it in so  
long. But those are folks within his congregation and within his network that had  
that experience in 2012, and they will come to this meeting. So, let's do exactly  
what you just said, Betsy.  
WANER: Could we have somebody facilitate that?  
PETERS: And say we need -- then we need the nuts and bolts. Do we need Public  
Health, do we need a facilitator.  
FOWLER: So give us -- we can work it out. We can work it out, yeah.  
PETERS: I think. We can try.  
FOWLER: Andrea Waner has a lot of capacity. She can help me -- as far as ideas and  
network and people and insight,  
I think that we could figure this out and we could  
bring these people together with us. I’m not suggesting -- it's -- all of us have to be  
there, and then we’ll see what the next right thing to do is.  
TREECE: Scheduling issue.  
PETERS: Well, Tuesday, the 30th of November or the 2nd of December, it’s  
Tuesday or a Thursday.  
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FOWLER: We got a lot of people to ask, and make sure it works for them. You know,  
don't want to presuppose anything. I'm willing to do the work and to ask other  
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people to help -- with their ideas and their connections and their phone numbers  
and their email addresses and everything else that has to happen.  
PETERS: Maybe we should ask Public Health if they could --  
I don’t know if they’re  
still here at this hour -- but if they could facilitate that. John, do you think that  
would be -- would they be the right people to?  
GLASCOCK: I will ask.  
PETERS: Maybe Public Health and our Chief, and then pick an afternoon before the  
next city council meeting -- preferably after Thanksgiving.  
I guess the nice thing is  
we have three weeks before the next city council meeting. See what we can get  
done.  
TREECE: Do you have anything else?  
TREECE:  
ward reapportionment committee and council members made their appointments  
this week. announced that on Friday, but we do need to take action at public  
meeting and I’m pleased to announce that Erica Ascani, Melissa DeBartolomeo, Kip  
Kendrick, Wiley Miller, Jeanne Mihail, Terry Smith will form the Ward  
Reapportionment Committee chaired by Dr. Tracy Greever-Rice, and so now that  
At our previous city council meeting, we adopted a resolution to create the  
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those appointments.  
I appreciate Council’s diligence in making  
XII. ADJOURNMENT  
Mayor Treece adjourned the meeting without objection at 11:26 p.m.